WCQF: St Louis Blues (4) vs Vancouver Canucks (5) (Canucks lead 3-2)

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

LA has some excellent prospects already in the pool, and are adding another one this draft.

Edmontons 2 are both at the center position, and have some decent prospects , particularly at d.

I forgot sj, you got me there.

The flames top c, their most skilled player, and their #1 d are being called out as players this team needs to move on from to somehow improve. It's definitely a sad and bash-worthy time to be s flames fan (yet again, I might add)....

LA has a bunch of lotto tickets, they could all turn out, or maybe they dont...

Sj is a dump truck, and saddled with some baaaaad contracts

Edmonton's 2 d prospects, 1 of them csnt play D

Even if the flames do move some pieces, they are gonna get stuff back, monahan and gaudreau have a ton of value

I'd also move gio to a contender, if hes willing

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by timbit

I guess that’s a big reason why the Canucks are still playing and the Flames are not.

You're looking at Johnny only, who you aren't a fan of.

Let's just ignore the fact that the Flames have Johnny, Tkachuk, Monahan and Lindholm, and focus your hate on Johnny.

The biggest reason the Canucks are still playing and the Flames are not is Markstrom. He gives them a chance to win every night and that has allowed their confidence to build.

Again, can we please gear down on the over-the-top Flames bashing?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by timbit

I guess that’s a big reason why the Canucks are still playing and the Flames are not.

Well, yeah, but to be fair the Flames are built for depth - especially on the blue line - while the Canucks have a couple of high-skill forwards, one star defenseman, and a great goalie. Totally different teams.

Let's be honest, the reason the Canucks are still playing while the Flames are not is entirely the result of goaltending, as it often is in the playoffs. Without Markstrom they'd be long gone.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Well, yeah, but to be fair the Flames are built for depth - especially on the blue line - while the Canucks have a couple of high-skill forwards, one star defenseman, and a great goalie. Totally different teams.

Let's be honest, the reason the Canucks are still playing while the Flames are not is entirely the result of goaltending, as it often is in the playoffs. Without Markstrom they'd be long gone.

Yes but isnt that the point, they have Markstrom

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

It is the point. He said the reason they're still in the playoffs is their top forwards are more valuable than Gaudreau. That simply isn't true.

[Enoch Root]

Debrusk is absolutely right - that save by Markstrom last game turned the series around. At that point, STL was dominating. Since then, the Nucks have scored the last 7 goals.

Nothing builds a team's confidence like hot goaltending.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You're looking at Johnny only, who you aren't a fan of.

Let's just ignore the fact that the Flames have Johnny, Tkachuk, Monahan and Lindholm, and focus your hate on Johnny.

The biggest reason the Canucks are still playing and the Flames are not is Markstrom. He gives them a chance to win every night and that has allowed their confidence to build.

Again, can we please gear down on the over-the-top Flames bashing?

I simply picked out our best or 2nd best forward and asked a hypothetical question.

Why don’t you answer the question.

It’s not rocket science.

Everybody has their hope up that the Flames are going to get a high end player plus plus for Mono or Johnny.

Not going to happen.

Look forward to your response.

[Enoch Root]

My response to what? I already addressed your post.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by timbit

Everybody has their hope up that the Flames are going to get a high end player plus plus for Mono or Johnny.

Not going to happen.

They absolutely can, partly because of how cheap those two players are... Vancouver just isn't a good match.

The question is more whether they want to do that. If they're blowing it up, they might not be looking for a good player. If you really wanted to, with all the expiring deals on this team, you could make a lot of hay by solving other teams' cap problems while accumulating picks and prospects. For example, if you wanted to trade with Vancouver, rather than giving them Gaudreau, you might be better off giving them nothing of value and taking back Loui Eriksson and something of value.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

My response to what? I already addressed your post.

I asked everyone a specific question that you have avoided like Covid.

[Ped]

Meh. Before people start anointing the Canucks as the next best thing or actually praising Benning, let's remember that their cap situation is terrible, their goalie is UFA, and Benning gave term and money to Jay Beagle and Loui Eriksson and Tyler Myers.


Oh, and they lost the scout who was at least partially responsible for grabbing Petterson, Boeser, and Hughes.


They have some great pieces, but they still have issues that the cap might (probably) exacerbate) and Benning still makes terrible moves.

[Enoch Root]

The Nucks have 4 top-end forwards: Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat and Miller

The Flames have 4 also: Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm and Tkachuk

Ignoring Flames' fans current bitterness, those two sets are pretty comparable overall

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by timbit

I asked everyone a specific question that you have avoided like Covid.

Idiotic post - be better than that

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

now you're talking prospects - way to move the goalposts

I get it, you're angry with the Flames

Lol, that was my original argument, where I asked about the Pacific team cores in 3 years.

Flames are awesome, is that better?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Ped

Oh, and they lost the scout who was at least partially responsible for grabbing Petterson, Boeser, and Hughes.

According to said scout he had no real say in the matter, so, yeah.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

4-1... let the collapse begin.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Lol, that was my original argument, where I asked about the Pacific team cores in 3 years.

Flames are awesome, is that better?

Prospects are prospects, let's see how it plays out. No need to exaggerate. And I never said they are awesome.

What ever happened to reasonable discussion? Why is everyone so black and white about everything? And if people don't agree, retort with sarcasm

[eddly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The Nucks have 4 top-end forwards: Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat and Miller

The Flames have 4 also: Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm and Tkachuk

Ignoring Flames' fans current bitterness, those two sets are pretty comparable overall

Well let’s throw in Toffoli too.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

According to said scout he had no real say in the matter, so, yeah.

Their lead amateur scout had no say in grabbing these guys? I find that hard to believe. Then what leverage was he using to try and get more autonomy with the Canucks?

It's been widely reported by several credible sources that Brackett had a lot of say in those picks.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by eddly

Well let’s throw in Toffoli too.

Toffoli is not on the level of those guys. Backlund is a better player, IMO