[PGT] Anemic offense, Flames lose 2-1

[TheScorpion]

This is the tenth time the Flames have gone down 3–2 in a series. They've never once climbed out of that hole to advance. Obviously, that means they're due.

I just wrote a new piece for FlamesNation about this. It's a trip down memory lane, examining the nine previous times the Flames have faced this particular brand of adversity. After all, those who cannot remember history are condemned to repeat it.

https://flamesnation.ca/2020/08/19/b...ries-deficits/

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I believe in the Flames 100% - every single one of them. I know they can be an elite team as Tkachuk said.

They just need to bring their best team game (of which they are more than capable) from the puck drop. It's the little details that allow for the zone time, that allow for the shots getting on net, that allow you to exit clean. If they intensely focus on those details they will play their best.

I have no doubt that they will.

These are good tests - embrace the challenge and the Flames will do amazing things!!!

The Dude abides.

[The Fisher Account]

It's like walking on eggshells, but I'm surprised at how much a pass Gio gets in this organization.

He's an A+ human and ambassador for the organization. No argument there.

But leading this team, on the ice.. seriously, what does he have to show in the past 15 years? 1 measly goal. All first round exits that he was a part of. Has he even been the first star of one playoff game?

Congrats on the Norris I guess.

[Jason14h]

What if we’re too small and just not talented enough !

It’s hard to trap it up and play defensively when your players are all outsized

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I believe in the Flames 100% - every single one of them. I know they can be an elite team as Tkachuk said.

They just need to bring their best team game (of which they are more than capable) from the puck drop. It's the little details that allow for the zone time, that allow for the shots getting on net, that allow you to exit clean. If they intensely focus on those details they will play their best.

I have no doubt that they will.

These are good tests - embrace the challenge and the Flames will do amazing things!!!

Yeah...but thats just, like, your opinion man.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

What if we’re too small and just not talented enough !

If you're too small (and I do not believe we are, as most of our smaller players like Mangiapane/Dube/Reider are defensively strong), then use the stretch pass. Remember how good Brodie and Giordano used to be at that? We haven't seen them attempt it all playoffs because it's simply not being utilized. I'm all for five man breakouts, but again, if the Stars' forecheck has neutralized that - ADJUST!

[DJones]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I still think I'd look at separating Monahan and Gaudreau tomorrow, even if just for the first period to give the Stars a bit of a different look too.

If Tkachuk plays:

Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Lucic - Bennett - Gaudreau
Dube - Monahan - Reider
Mangiapane - Ryan - Quine

or if Tkachuk is out:

Mangiapane - Backlund - Lindholm
Lucic - Bennett - Gaudreau
Dube - Monahan - Reider
Quine - Ryan - Jankowski

Let's put Monahan and Gaudreau with guys that each cover their biggest weakness. Gaudreau is soft and isn't gritty, lets put him with some guys that make space with their physicality. Monahan isn't fleet of foot, let's put him with speed in Dube and Reider.

this.

Monahan should be 3C and get him the hell away from Gaudreau. He can't create anything.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

It's like walking on eggshells, but I'm surprised at how much a pass Gio gets in this organization.

He's an A+ human and ambassador for the organization. No argument there.

But leading this team, on the ice.. seriously, what does he have to show in the past 15 years? 1 measly goal. All first round exits that he was a part of. Has he even been the first star of one playoff game?

Congrats on the Norris I guess.

100%

Between his lack of production in big game situations and the obvious continuous motivation/dedication problems in the locker room, what does he really bring as team leadership? IMO nothing.

Great person, good community member, good PR guy- seemingly terrible on ice leader and in room presence.
I'll take my lumps for it but Gio should have lost the captaincy before last season IMO.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

100%

I'll take my lumps for it but Gio should have lost the captaincy before last season IMO.

to who?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by DJones

this.

Monahan should be 3C and get him the hell away from Gaudreau. He can't create anything.

If you're 3C is making north of $6 million AAV forget about getting him away from Gaudreau...get him off the team!

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

to who?

Co-Captain with the Stache.



Worked last time.

On a more serious note it doesn't matter who the Captain is. Stripping captains of the C is embarrassing to the organization. The Sharks just made their players unhappy by doing so, twice. If you don't want your captain to be the captain, then trade him.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Certainly possible.

I don't think Peters was cheap though ...

McLellan landed in the middle of the McDavid summer as part of the off ice dream team. Hitchcock was resurrected and Tippet hadn't coached in three years after being let go for starting a mutiny.

Names for sure, but dated and tarnished for the most part.

Maybe Boudreau falls into that category too and comes to Calgary, but I think Gallant and Laviolette will get options and not have to sit for three years like Tippett before Calgary comes a calling.

I mean Hartley was a name for the most part ... just a dated one without a huge competition for his services.

I mean, they needed to wait for him to be fired to hire him.

Hard to imagine he was expensive, and definitely not in the Babcock, Quenneville, Trotz bracket.

If we are a middle of the pack team we need every advantage we can get.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If you're 3C is making north of $6 million AAV forget about getting him away from Gaudreau...get him off the team!

Doesn't mean anything for tomorrow.

He's effective in the regular season when no one is giving it 100%.

[haiku]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I just wrote a new piece for FlamesNation about this. It's a trip down memory lane, examining the nine previous times the Flames have faced this particular brand of adversity. After all, those who cannot remember history are condemned to repeat it.

https://flamesnation.ca/2020/08/19/b...ries-deficits/

link own article
duhatschek would never do
self promote no shame

[Scary Eloranta]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This is the tenth time the Flames have gone down 3–2 in a series. They've never once climbed out of that hole to advance. Obviously, that means they're due.

I just wrote a new piece for FlamesNation about this. It's a trip down memory lane, examining the nine previous times the Flames have faced this particular brand of adversity. After all, those who cannot remember history are condemned to repeat it.

https://flamesnation.ca/2020/08/19/b...ries-deficits/

Well that was depressing, lol. Well written though!

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by haiku

link own article
duhatschek would never do
self promote no shame

Really? Am not on that site and appreciated it, along with all of Scorp’s other work.

Maybe the italics meant you were kidding.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

If you're too small (and I do not believe we are, as most of our smaller players like Mangiapane/Dube/Reider are defensively strong), then use the stretch pass. Remember how good Brodie and Giordano used to be at that? We haven't seen them attempt it all playoffs because it's simply not being utilized. I'm all for five man breakouts, but again, if the Stars' forecheck has neutralized that - ADJUST!

This is a particularly good point. Our breakout is always up the boards or a chip off the boards. It's predictable and given that Dallas is a good forechecking team it plays to their strengths and not ours.

Mixing in some stretch passes should relieve some of the pressure as right now Dallas con commit a winger and dman to the board battle with no worry of an odd man rush going back the other way.

I think the Flames need to shift their overall strategy around managing the puck. It really is aggregating to see them float around the outside in Dallas' end and refuse to try putting some shots on net. It's insane the number of times we've had full possession in their end and overpass/lose the puck instead of simply putting a shot on net. It's why our shot attempts are like half of Dallas'.

Did they see Bennet score off a rebound where all Lucic did was put a shot low from the outside. Are they not allowed to look at tape? Is this Hoosiers and we have to pass 5 times before we shoot?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

This is a particularly good point. Our breakout is always up the boards or a chip off the boards. It's predictable and given that Dallas is a good forechecking team it plays to their strengths and not ours.

Mixing in some stretch passes should relieve some of the pressure as right now Dallas con commit a winger and dman to the board battle with no worry of an odd man rush going back the other way.

I think the Flames need to shift their overall strategy around managing the puck. It really is aggregating to see them float around the outside in Dallas' end and refuse to try putting some shots on net. It's insane the number of times we've had full possession in their end and overpass/lose the puck instead of simply putting a shot on net. It's why our shot attempts are like half of Dallas'.

Did they see Bennet score off a rebound where all Lucic did was put a shot low from the outside. Are they not allowed to look at tape? Is this Hoosiers and we have to pass 5 times before we shoot?

The Flames are going up the boards with the puck because the Stars have absolutely dominated the neutral zone and the Flames are trying as hard as possible to limit Dallas' defenders ability to shoot from the middle of the ice surface because that's where Dallas keeps scoring from.

[AC]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Except you know you went through and cherry picked Monahans "ok" shifts. You are a huge Monahan fan. You could more easily also go and cherry pick Gaudreaus good plays but you wont because you are continually blaming Johnny for Monahans horribad hockey.

I'm a big Monahan fan, but also a big Gaudreau fan. Maybe I'm biased lately because of my frustrations with Gaudreau's play in the playoffs. However my analysis was based on what I've seen, yes. I haven't seen Gaudreau outwork the Stars to put his teammates into good situations in the same way that Monahan has, even if that has been painfully subpar as well. Gaudreau's "good rushes" that have been talked about during the games usually consist of him skating through the neutral zone nicely, but ultimately turning it over.

I flat out said Monahan has been a disappointment, I'm just more willing to forgive a player that seems to be doing a lot of the small things right at both ends of the ice compared to someone who hasn't really been able to do much right at either end of the ice 5v5. Gaudreau had the one nice pass to set Monahan up in Game 4, and Monahan returned the favour with that 2 on 1 play as well as the one-timer from the slot in OT. Are there some prime examples of Gaudreau creating offense you can recall from these games? I'll pull them.

Either way, my point was that I don't think the 2 players work as a pairing in the playoffs based on the games we've seen. Gaudreau isn't the same player in tight checking playoff hockey, so he can't get the puck to Monahan consistently the same way, and Monahan isn't the right type of centre for Gaudreau in the playoffs either obviously.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by haiku

link own article
duhatschek would never do
self promote no shame

Wtf? I can't post my own articles? Why not? That's dumb.

Is AC self-promoting when he posts his videos?