2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I don’t know enough about the top 3 guys, but Bennett was pegged as a 1/2 centre.

and on a not junk team, he may very well have been developed into one. He has all the tools, but the trash coaches he had kicked him around the line-up and killed his confidence. Nothing is a certainty, but this team rushed Bennett and fed him to the wolves - just like the Oilers do with their prospects. Thankfully Tree and the gang seems to have remedied this in recent years for other players.

[IrishSpring2013]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

and on a not junk team, he may very well have been developed into one..

Nah, some faults could be blamed on the Flames and Benzo might have all the tools you listed but he doesn't think the game at the NHL level very well.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Coach

The faith people have that unknown quantities like 16-18 year olds continues to blow my mind. Even with Bennett added to the conversation, who himself was once touted as a top line center in waiting for which we are still waiting and will likely not be the case.

I’m not against trading Gaudreau Monahan and/or Gio, but there’s no guarantee picks turn into players that are as good. I’m not on board with trading Tkachuk at all though.

Good teams are built through the !@#$ing draft. Full stop.

You don't simply acquire elite centres. One or two get moved each decade. Yeah, not all picks are hits - but that doesn't mean you don't take the risk. The alternative is exactly what this organization has done for 30 years. Absolutely nothing.

This organization has achieved nothing in 30 years because they constantly go for the "win now" approach. Year in, year out - it's the exact same. This whole idea that we're somehow better than other organizations because we don't draft high is an absolute farce.

Yeah, you don't go Oilers - but the Oilers didn't even mean to go full Oilers. They did what they did out of actual honest to god incompetence. Our incompetence is only slightly less than theres - which is why we draft where we draft every year and never win any playoff series. Cut out the rot and build through the draft, it's the only actual path to relevancy in my eyes. Otherwise this team just hangs around in mediocrity for another handful of years.

Originally Posted by IrishSpring2013

Nah, some faults could be blamed on the Flames and Benzo might have all the tools you listed but he doesn't think the game at the NHL level very well.

For a guy who doesn't think the game at the NHL level very well he produces at an elite clip in the playoffs. The most important time of the year. This team has had brain dead coaches for years and they messed up one of our best prospects of all time - yeah, Bennett was immature on the ice during these times but guess what? He was young and needed some structure and coaching and this team !@#$ the bed. Tree goes out there and pays out huge contracts for absolute anchors and then plants them on Bennett's line because those players are so bad they can't stay in the top six despite being paid to play there. Those players were so bad they would destroy our top line when played there - so what chance in hell did a young player with little experience have? But yeah, of course a good amount of it is on Sam's shoulders as well - no player gets to excuse their way out of accountability.

[dammage79]

Well, if it all ends tomorrow and the Flames end up what? 19th? I am all in on Rodion Amirov for the draft. Don't think the dreamy picks will be available. Maybe a shout out to Gunler or Zary.

Man, losing those 4 draft spots really hurt (if the Flames ended up at 16 after losing to the jets) options.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well, if it all ends tomorrow and the Flames end up what? 19th? I am all in on Rodion Amirov for the draft. Don't think the dreamy picks will be available. Maybe a shout out to Gunler or Zary.

Man, losing those 4 draft spots really hurt (if the Flames ended up at 16 after losing to the jets) options.

Zary and Lapierre are where my hopes land. Lapierre looks to be slotted lower than where he should be due to injury issues.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I like Bourque and he should be there at 19.

Not a big deal. There are always fallers in deep drafts.

[dammage79]

I think just a Gaudreau trade would be enough of a shake up. I don't think they move Monahan although I have heard rumors of a deal but it is really bad, like gross bad. You thought Hall for Larsson was bad....

Now think how bad it would be to move your top producing center for that kind of deal. Yikes.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by mennoknight

Our team's leading scorer and heart and soul guy might actually be a detriment to the team is a catastrophically stupid take

Where did I say he was a detriment to the team. I said he's a lottery ticket like everything else. This concussion he got could change him forever or he could demand a trade or his skill and play style could dramatically be changed. I dont think any of that happens, but it could. My point is that everything is a gamble, unless you keep the team as is because that's a guarantee to have no success.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I think just a Gaudreau trade would be enough of a shake up. I don't think they move Monahan although I have heard rumors of a deal but it is really bad, like gross bad. You thought Hall for Larsson was bad....

Now think how bad it would be to move your top producing center for that kind of deal. Yikes.

Was that the Edler rumor or am I thinking of something else?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Was that the Edler rumor or am I thinking of something else?

Edler was built around Kylington, or so the rumour has grown to. In actuality, the only thing that came out was Edler didn't want to waive here/didn't want to sign an extension here.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Was that the Edler rumor or am I thinking of something else?

No, not Edler, I dont want to say it as I can't back it up aside from the fact the ppl I heard it from nailed a prediction on an entire Flames offseason plan from a few years ago.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well, if it all ends tomorrow and the Flames end up what? 19th? I am all in on Rodion Amirov for the draft. Don't think the dreamy picks will be available. Maybe a shout out to Gunler or Zary.

Man, losing those 4 draft spots really hurt (if the Flames ended up at 16 after losing to the jets) options.

This post has been.... Positivity Policed

[IrishSpring2013]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

For a guy who doesn't think the game at the NHL level very well he produces at an elite clip in the playoffs..

He's not producing at an elite clip, he has seven points in nine games. Which is fantastic but this is game at his best. Not elite. I think he has all the tools to be elite but not the toolbox. McDavid, McKimmon etc who are producing at more than a PPG, not less, are elite.

This isn't a major criticism of Sam, and I think he should've been developed better (mainly at center) but it's obvious from watching him vs junior his game hasn't full moved to this level and I think hockey IQ is the major reason why. I'm totally okay with the fact he's a middle six player who raises his game in the offseason, just sucks we drafted him to be elite.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by dammage79

No, not Edler, I dont want to say it as I can't back it up aside from the fact the ppl I heard it from nailed a prediction on an entire Flames offseason plan from a few years ago.

Damn. That really peaks my curiosity. This is the speculation/rumor thread after all. I don't know why people will jump on you from doing exactly that.

[Flash Walken]

The biggest risk with tkachuk has already been made: walking him to free agency with a 10m qualifying offer and 1 year arbitration rights.

The dye has already been cast folks.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by IrishSpring2013

He's not producing at an elite clip, he has seven points in nine games. Which is fantastic but this is game at his best. Not elite. I think he has all the tools to be elite but not the toolbox. McDavid, McKimmon etc who are producing at more than a PPG, not less, are elite.

This isn't a major criticism of Sam, and I think he should've been developed better (mainly at center) but it's obvious from watching him vs junior his game hasn't full moved to this level and I think hockey IQ is the major reason why. I'm totally okay with the fact he's a middle six player who raises his game in the offseason, just sucks we drafted him to be elite.

He's doing it in 15 minutes of ice time a night while players who have produced at a similar or better rate are playing 18-26 minutes a night.

That's pretty damn good. I think he's earned the opportunity to play up the line-up with better players (like Looch, Dube, maybe Tkachuk). Give him an honest chance at establishing himself as a producing centre.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The biggest risk with tkachuk has already been made: walking him to free agency with a 10m qualifying offer and 1 year arbitration rights.

The dye has already been cast folks.

Yeah - can we sit back and acknowledge just how awful that Tkachuk bridge actually is? The fact that Treliving didn't shovel Frolik in the off-season to create the needed cap-space is an absolute joke. He then deals Frolik and goes up and down in the media talking about how he did this to create cap-space to improve the team...and then turns around and whips picks out on players who don't move the needle. Tree has gone from cold streak to just flat out not performing at an acceptable level over the last 12 months. He needs to be better.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

This post has been.... Positivity Policed

We can only hope. Getting a W tomorrow would be a start.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Lindros trade was so unique it would never happen again. Iggie wasn't even in the league and while he was a good prospect, it's not like he was, as an 11th pick, some sort of can't miss guy. It's actually wild how much better he is than any other skater in that draft. Only Kipper comes even close as a goalie as well.

Maybe the closest is Hull, where Calgary arguably exaggerated his flaws in their own mind, and at the same time, correctly saw themselves as a piece or two from a cup.

Zibnajed is perhaps a more recent example of a guy being traded before hitting his potential

[Vinny01]

By all accounts Tkachuk’s vision of a long term deal was 5 years which bought a single year of free agency and would have been a disastrous deal as well rating up likely $9M in cap space. The negativity here is reaching ridiculous levels no wonder nobody wants to play here. All the craziness of a big market with none of the benefits.


I don’t think it is crazy what happened last summer. Tkachuk, Bennett, Rittich, Mangipane all RFA’s and very little cap space. This summer there is some flexibility to make changes and performance dictates that change is needed.

Do you trade Johnny after a 99pts season because he had a bad playoffs? Risky deal to make and probably a hard sell to Ownership. This team in my opinion was rightfully given the chance to redeem themselves and are potentially one game away from failing which will initiate change.

I still feel comfortable having Treliving make a blockbuster trade as he has had more hits than misses. He should feel his seat getting warm but he should get the chance to fix this. If they are going to blow the team up and rebuild then bring in a new guy to do that but I feel if they fire Treliving either Maloney, Conroy or Pascal gets the job.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I think just a Gaudreau trade would be enough of a shake up. I don't think they move Monahan although I have heard rumors of a deal but it is really bad, like gross bad. You thought Hall for Larsson was bad....

Now think how bad it would be to move your top producing center for that kind of deal. Yikes.

Originally Posted by dammage79

I think just a Gaudreau trade would be enough of a shake up. I don't think they move Monahan although I have heard rumors of a deal but it is really bad, like gross bad. You thought Hall for Larsson was bad....

Now think how bad it would be to move your top producing center for that kind of deal. Yikes.

If any of Johnny’s hometown teams are looking to bring him home you’re looking at Jersey (where he was born), Philly (teams get rooted for) or Boston (his college town).

Philly: Konecny <-> Gaudreau

Sounds like an underpayment on the surface but Konency is 4 years younger, with a longer contract at a better price. Konecny doesn’t have Johnny’s offensive flair but he is steadily improving going from 28 to 47 to 49 to 61 (in 66 games) points. Plus he can play both wings.

Jersey: Hischier <-> Gaudreau

After a good rookie season, Hischier has not taken the next step to stardom with only 36 points in 58 games last year (injuries and being on a bad team play a part, no question). His deal is a bit hard to swallow given his recent play, as he will earn $500,000 more than Gaudreau but is under contact for 7 more seasons. But he’s only 21 and still oozes so much potential.

Boston: Futures <-> Gaudreau

Pastrnak is about as untouchable as it comes and after him the only players that have similar value to Gaudreau are too old. Bergeron’s 35, Marchand’s 32, Krejci’s 34. McAvoy would be a good return but he’s being groomed as Chara’s heir apparent so also likely untouchable. Best return would be multiple picks, definitely involving at least one first rounder plus a blue chip prospect like Studnicka or Vaakanainen. We’d have to take salary back to make it work but this kind of deal is unquestionably a rebuild deal which I’m not sure ownership/Treliving will allow.