American Politics Thread: The Hunt for Blue November

[Looch City]

Very unfair.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by troutman

Russia meddled on Trump’s behalf in 2016, bipartisan Senate intelligence report concludes

Senate committee calls its 1,300-plus-page report the most comprehensive description to date of Russia’s activities and the threat they posed, overshadowing even the Mueller report

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ru...des-2020-08-18

That's a lot of pages to put through Mitch McConnell's office shredder.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by troutman

Russia meddled on Trump’s behalf in 2016, bipartisan Senate intelligence report concludes

Senate committee calls its 1,300-plus-page report the most comprehensive description to date of Russia’s activities and the threat they posed, overshadowing even the Mueller report

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ru...des-2020-08-18

Also developing is the Senate made criminal referrals for lying in their testimonies to the DoJ for Bannon, Trump Jr, Kushner, Erik Prince, and Sam Clovis prior to AG Barr being appointed. Definitely a busy day at the shredder for Barr when he took over.

The Republican and Democratic leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee made criminal referrals of Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, Steve Bannon, Erik Prince and Sam Clovis to federal prosecutors in 2019, passing along their suspicions that the men may have misled the committee during their testimony, an official familiar with the matter told NBC News.

The official confirmed reports in the Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post, which reported on the matter last week. A criminal referral to the Justice Department means Congress believes a matter warrants investigation for potential violation of the law.

The committee detailed its concerns in a letter to the U.S. attorney's office in Washington, D.C., in June 2019, the official said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...thers-n1237155

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Nope, I meant I think she would win.

The Democrats have decided to do everything in their power to make this election closer than it needs to be.

Biden polled better Vs. Trump than any other candidate

some of you need to just accept the fact that Trump has an incredibly strong base

[GirlySports]

Sixty Seconds to Self-Sabotage. The DNC’s choice of who to feature speaks volumes about the party’s inability to see its own future.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Sixty Seconds to Self-Sabotage. The DNC’s choice of who to feature speaks volumes about the party’s inability to see its own future.

Yeah, no...

One state, but I imagine it doesn't stray too far from national numbers. I know you love anyone who will disrupt the establishment, whatever they stand for, but the progressive left is just a small but loud faction of the party.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1295493820507992064

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Yeah, no...

One state, but I imagine it doesn't stray too far from national numbers. I know you love anyone who will disrupt the establishment, whatever they stand for, but the progressive left is just a small but loud faction of the party.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1295493820507992064

Who answers a telephone?

[troutman]

So, AOC did not endorse Biden, and nominated Sanders?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1295902565750771717

I am confusion.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by troutman

So, AOC did not endorse Biden, and nominated Sanders?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1295901315848196097

No big deal at all, procedural formality.

[octothorp]

nm

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by troutman

So, AOC did not endorse Biden, and nominated Sanders?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1295902565750771717

I am confusion.

Every candidate that reaches the delegate threshold requires roll call and nominations.

Also, Trump is surely going to light up his Twitter at John Kerry after his appearance tonight.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1295914961684832259

[calgarybornnraised]

The healthcare stories were a real hitting point tonight,especially the Gentlemen with ALS. We fans of the Flames we are watching it first hand, can’t imagine that and add medical bills on top. Heartbreaking.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Who answers a telephone?

the kind of people who vote, you know older home owners

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by calgarybornnraised

The healthcare stories were a real hitting point tonight,especially the Gentlemen with ALS. We fans of the Flames we are watching it first hand, can’t imagine that and add medical bills on top. Heartbreaking.

If the Democrats really want to win the election, all they have to do is outline a comprehensive plan for healthcare. It has consistently polled as the biggest concern for Americans (probably right after a strong economy to be truthful), and that's only been amplified by this crisis. The Republicans literally have no plan...like, at all. The Democrats have two plans, one of which has gained a lot of popularity in recent months (medicare for all), but even Biden's plan of a robust public option that gives people another choice and separates their healthcare from their job should be exceedingly popular across the political spectrum.

The public wants to know that government will actually do something to improve their lives right now. Having a clear COVID plan along with a strong plan for health care in the future is the only debate you need to have. It will show a clear contrast between the parties and give people something to vote FOR, not just against Trump.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

The Democratic Party shooting themselves in the foot has basically become a Republican talking point regardless of accuracy.

Nominated Biden, the most likely candidate to defeat Trump. That's a big misstep!

Nominated Harris, someone that's popular, polled well, and will hold Trump/Pence to the fire like no other candidate. But she votes with Bernie with basically everything, would make a better GOP candidiate.

Democrats are keeping AOC protected so the Republicans can't make the entire election about her, my neighbour's kid loves her, what a mistake!


The Democrats could win the White House, every seat in Congress, every seat in the Senate, every Governor's seat, every seat in the state legislatures, every seat in the state senates, every mayoral race, every municipal seat... and people would be saying "the Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot, its like they're trying to lose, how will they survive without any Republicans to debate?"

[dobbles]

I noticed this in the 538 live chat last night:

Ocasio-Cortez tweeted, seemingly in a not-super-happy fashion, about only having about a minute to speak at the convention. Twitter users on the left were also displeased. It’s perhaps worth noting that while she has very enthusiastic support on the left and online, she is not widely popular. In fact, in a Siena poll of New York state last year, Trump was more popular in the state than she. Of course, as a congresswoman, statewide polls don’t matter. But if she has bigger ambitions, they might.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blo...2020-election/


We need to constantly remind ourselves no matter how vocal the progressives are, they do not represent the majority of the party let alone the majority of Americans.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I've never considered AOC a progressive. Just like I've never considered Trump a conservative. Just because they apply the label to themselves does not mean they are what they claim.

[activeStick]

While I can understand that she was likely more than a little bit upset that she was only given 60 seconds at the convention and that she was asked to nominate Bernie, I think AOC missed an opportunity to be the bigger person by failing to even mention Biden.

The overarching theme from the Democrats is clearly around coming together regardless differences in opinion whether you're a Republican or Bernie Sanders. She did mention Biden in her tweet shortly after her appearance so part of me thinks she omitted mentioning support for Biden on purpose.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by dobbles

I noticed this in the 538 live chat last night:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blo...2020-election/

We need to constantly remind ourselves no matter how vocal the progressives are, they do not represent the majority of the party let alone the majority of Americans.

Because they are not the majority, they should be ignored? I mocked the telephone poll above but 17% is a healthy chunk of telephone people. Imagine non-telephone people.

At a minimum, giving her 60 seconds, less than what was given to an actual republican, is a major problem. She's clearly one of the major voices of the progressive wing of the party, and she's proven herself quite adept at getting her point across. They love her when it's time to vote in Congress or when she's gives one of the republicans a verbal beatdown. Having very few Latino speakers at all (where the heck is Julian Castro?), is also a major issue. I'd argue having Bill Clinton there at all is a big problem too. It's really the whole boomer argument all over again. I got mine, and I'm going to ride it into the ground and not pull anyone from the next generation up, or even recognize that the party and the electorate are changing. It's a failure to think about anything but this very second, dismissing a future that might be a bit different from what has been done for so long. If the democratic party wants to survive and be relevant they need to expand their tent, or they won't have their tent anymore.

AOC is also way ahead of where some dude named Obama was when he got his star-making spot at a the 2004 DNC. I seem to recall a lot of people saying his energy was appealing. Whatever happened to him? The failure of the current Democratic leadership, intentional or otherwise, is realizing that their party is shifting hard right now but ignoring it completely.

There are charismatic personalities, especially people of color, who have brought forth dynamic ideas and absolutely trigger Republicans. These folks are the future of the party whether the current establishment likes it or not. And many voters want progress.

Giving zero of these people any sort of real platform during a time when it's standard procedure to highlight someone gives the impression that Democrats are just nicer about being craven political aholes than Republicans. An entire night of the DNC could've been dedicated to The Future of the Party.

Instead, a rehash of ghosts past, including a reliance on those from the other side of the aisle. I mean, between John Kasich and Colin Powell and Liz Cheney and the grifters at the Lincoln Project, why would anyone on the left actually want to vote for Biden without the "must get Trump out" trope? Nah, we're going to roll out a bunch of our tired retreads and completely disregard the youth who are driving the current social movement that blends with the stated policies of our party.

Two nights in and the universally highest regard for everyone who has spoken is for a former First Lady. Prior to Hilary Clinton, all a First Lady had to do was be well-dressed and have manners. Now, a former one is about the most appealing thing they have to offer. And I don't think its a stretch to say that her husband will be the other speaker held in highest regard when its all said and done.

Other poor decisions they have made:

Offered up Clinton when trying to hurt Trump for his relationship with Epstein

Opted to not have a virtual convention when their candidate and party members are constantly harping on Trump's poor response to it. Instead, they postponed it and stayed with it instead of canceling it months ago, giving up that possible advantage. And now that the RNC went virtual, there is nothing to gain. Had you beaten them to the virtual punch, you would look like the leader and the party who cares about saving lives. Instead...

Tell me, if Trump wins, who gets the blame? The left for not throwing voting blue no matter who or the party for courting Republicans (the enemy) and failing to win over enough of them?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Because they are not the majority, they should be ignored? I mocked the telephone poll above but 17% is a healthy chunk of telephone people. Imagine non-telephone people.

So you ignore the 73%?

Seriously, if the 17% were being ignored then there wouldn't be AOC or Sanders speaking at all.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

At a minimum, giving her 60 seconds, less than what was given to an actual republican, is a major problem. She's clearly one of the major voices of the progressive wing of the party, and she's proven herself quite adept at getting her point across. They love her when it's time to vote in Congress or when she's gives one of the republicans a verbal beatdown. Having very few Latino speakers at all (where the heck is Julian Castro?), is also a major issue. I'd argue having Bill Clinton there at all is a big problem too. It's really the whole boomer argument all over again. I got mine, and I'm going to ride it into the ground and not pull anyone from the next generation up, or even recognize that the party and the electorate are changing. It's a failure to think about anything but this very second, dismissing a future that might be a bit different from what has been done for so long. If the democratic party wants to survive and be relevant they need to expand their tent, or they won't have their tent anymore.

1. Republicans speaking in support of the Democrats at the DNC is a BIG deal. It shows a split in the GOP and getting their support is a big shot at the Republican Party.

Imagine if Gov. Newsome was at the RNC speaking to support Trump. Huge deal.

You take that gift 100 times out of 100.

You talk about Democrats shooting themselves in the foot. Not having Republican endorsements at the DNC would have been a shot to the head.

Also AOC isn't the only voice of the progressive wing, her mentor gave a keynote for crying out loud.

As for one of the most popular Democratic Presidents of our time who won the South handedly, having him there is a great idea.

When Democratic presidential candidates try to separate and distance themselves from Bill, it hurts them, they lose.

If the Democratic Party wants to survive they need to stick with what wins.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

AOC is also way ahead of where some dude named Obama was when he got his star-making spot at a the 2004 DNC. I seem to recall a lot of people saying his energy was appealing. Whatever happened to him? The failure of the current Democratic leadership, intentional or otherwise, is realizing that their party is shifting hard right now but ignoring it completely.

I didn't realize that AOC was editor of the Harvard Law Review, and taught Constitutional Law. I also didn't realize she was a state senator for 7 years, and that the federal seat she won she won it with 70% of the vote when it was previously held by a Republican.

Wow, AOC really has a lot more experience than I knew.

Here I thought she just did some low to mid level campaign work and then admittedly pulled off an impressive primary victory.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

There are charismatic personalities, especially people of color, who have brought forth dynamic ideas and absolutely trigger Republicans. These folks are the future of the party whether the current establishment likes it or not. And many voters want progress.

Yes, let's let Trump and the GOP make the narrative about AOC and the small percentage of the party rather than follow the polling data and momentum.

That would be shooting yourself in the foot.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Giving zero of these people any sort of real platform during a time when it's standard procedure to highlight someone gives the impression that Democrats are just nicer about being craven political aholes than Republicans. An entire night of the DNC could've been dedicated to The Future of the Party.

and hand the election over to Trump and the GOP.

You're protecting a Knight by sacrificing your King.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Instead, a rehash of ghosts past, including a reliance on those from the other side of the aisle. I mean, between John Kasich and Colin Powell and Liz Cheney and the grifters at the Lincoln Project, why would anyone on the left actually want to vote for Biden without the "must get Trump out" trope? Nah, we're going to roll out a bunch of our tired retreads and completely disregard the youth who are driving the current social movement that blends with the stated policies of our party.

I believe it was James Carville that said Republicans want to win, Democrats want to be right.

Democrats shift to focusing in what wins, and you're worried about future elections, not this one.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Two nights in and the universally highest regard for everyone who has spoken is for a former First Lady. Prior to Hilary Clinton, all a First Lady had to do was be well-dressed and have manners. Now, a former one is about the most appealing thing they have to offer. And I don't think its a stretch to say that her husband will be the other speaker held in highest regard when its all said and done.

Whats your point? They're giving the people what they want and what appeals to them?

My God. What a concept!

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Other poor decisions they have made:

Offered up Clinton when trying to hurt Trump for his relationship with Epstein

Opted to not have a virtual convention when their candidate and party members are constantly harping on Trump's poor response to it. Instead, they postponed it and stayed with it instead of canceling it months ago, giving up that possible advantage. And now that the RNC went virtual, there is nothing to gain. Had you beaten them to the virtual punch, you would look like the leader and the party who cares about saving lives. Instead...

Tell me, if Trump wins, who gets the blame? The left for not throwing voting blue no matter who or the party for courting Republicans (the enemy) and failing to win over enough of them?

Has there been much Epstein talk? Focus is on Trump and Maxwell. Even then, it's not a lot.

The DNC convention isn't in Florida, and how many speeches and things are being done virtually?

Lastly, if Trump wins, who gets the blame?

I don't know. But giving Trump ammunition and everything he wants certainly is NOT a good strategy.