[PGT] Stars 5 Flames 4 (OT)

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by badradio

Let me preface this with saying I think Talbot has been incredible so far and has stolen games, but with his style of play he is wearing our own defence down.
Talbot is a blocking style goalie and Dallas has read the book on him, if you shoot low you are going to get a rebound. One shot can easily turn into 4. It’s like his pads are made of rubber.
Now compare this with the style of play of Kipper where pucks died on his pads and he covered most plays it stopped the defence from having to scramble and defend almost every play. Rittich’s style is much more like Kippers. I don’t blame Talbot for the loss one bit, that’s just the style he plays, but in a condensed playoff format I could see this being extremely taxing on the D every shift. There is a reason Dallas had so many shots. That’s my take anyways.

There is something to that.

Kipper was coached to, firstly, catch everything he could, and secondly, prioritize directing everything else in to the corners where possible.

Blocking style goalies are often stressful to watch. Great tool to have in your toolkit, good positioning, but not looking to control the flow of the game

[JohnnyB]

If the first line steps up in these last games I think the Flames win this. If they do lose this series though, I'm not feeling bad about them as I did last year.

They're missing their top scorer and agitator, and Gio is just looking like time caught up to him, which is something nobody can blame him for. That's not even mentioning the numerous back to back playoffs games they've played.

I respect this year's team much more than last year's team. There have been some amazing surprise performances by Flames players already and I don't think this series is over.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Being hemmed in your own zone for 80% of the game isn’t being outclassed?

Stats to back that up? Or are you pulling a Lowe? Visually the team look like ####?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Best of 3. Just think of it that way.

Bottom line is we have to play better in front of Talbot. He is the only reason why this series isn't 3-1 Dallas. Sure, we could have been the ones at 3-1 but we blew that chance.

Time for us to grab the advantage in game 5. After all, we do play better in white this year.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Itse

Btw, I feel like we could mention Miro Heiskanen more. The kid played almost half the game, 35 minutes, and was fantastic in both ends of the ice. When the ice feels like it's tilting towards our end, it's usually been with Heiskanen on the ice.

Sure he plays for the other team, but hot patootie that kid can play.

Personally, I wish we could mention Miro Heiskanen less.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Did Gio play as well last year when he won the Norris?

It is like Heiskanen is from a better league.

Hard to imagine Hanifin or Andersson ever playing as well as Heiskanen has for basically every shift of the last 4 games.

22 year old primed to at least get a few Norris's vs a 36 year old dman that only won it at 35 . 22 vs 36 I'm going with the young stead in that match . Also how are you not surprised that 1 of 3 young dmen are playing better out of a group? Not every player is the same. Hanifin and Andersson are not as good of skaters as Heiskanen thats his strength. It's not really a surprise unless you have some sort of deficiency that doesn't aloow you to see everyone is different. As qui gon jinn once said "There's always a bigger fish"

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Did Gio play as well last year when he won the Norris?

It is like Heiskanen is from a better league.

Hard to imagine Hanifin or Andersson ever playing as well as Heiskanen has for basically every shift of the last 4 games.

Originally Posted by dino7c

certain posters only post when something bad happens to the Flames

Jets in 3
Jets in 4
Jets in 5
Stars in 4
Stars in 5
Stars in 6

Usual suspects...one check of post history

Again have an opinion but to say a 2-2 series is over? Why watch/post if its over

Same kind of people that probably don't wear masks.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Anyone else concerned about Talbot's workload? 4 games in six nights, including 100+ shot attempts faced today. He's not exactly young...

33 isn't young? Boy am I ####ed.....

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Best of 3. Just think of it that way.

Bottom line is we have to play better in front of Talbot. He is the only reason why this series isn't 3-1 Dallas. Sure, we could have been the ones at 3-1 but we blew that chance.

Time for us to grab the advantage in game 5. After all, we do play better in white this year.

Not the only reason at all. I agree with Geoff Ward. He isn’t hypnotized and wooed by shot counts from outside. He cares what they give up from inside.

I like Talbot, and appreciate every save, but don’t love the blocking style in general and its repercussions, or the OT winner.

I agree with the general sentiment. Park it. Best of 3.

[icarus]

It's clear the Stars were instructed to throw everything on net, and the Flames not so much. I feel like only Bennett felt the urgency to take shots on goal every time he had the chance. Need more shots, just like Dallas is doing, and clean up this defensive zone tire fire that's far too passive and making Talbot do most of the heavy lifting.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by icarus

It's clear the Stars were instructed to throw everything on net, and the Flames not so much. I feel like only Bennett felt the urgency to take shots on goal every time he had the chance. Need more shots, just like Dallas is doing, and clean up this defensive zone tire fire that's far too passive and making Talbot do most of the heavy lifting.

What is clear is that the Flames are focused defensively on shots from inside, not on counting shots from the outside. Ward said it in his presser

[SebC]

The reason this team is so frustrating is because they've shown they can be a top-two team in the league. But that's also why anyone who says they don't have potential is wrong.

[djsFlames]

I'd never seen the Flames "stand up" at the blue line as much and as well as I did during the Winnipeg series.

Can we get back to doing that? Make them earn their zone entries and when they inevitably dump and chase, bust ass to get to that puck first. It all leads to lessened possession time for them and more for you.

Collapsing and watching does not accomplish that.

It doesn't have to be rocket surgery.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Flames are getting outplayed but a big part of that is they are leading more frequently.

I think it’s starting to show up in their end get too. It takes a lot of energy to defend and 8 playoff games in 16 days with 2 back to backs and a weird schedule. They are a team that looks tired to me.

Here are the numbers across different situations through 4 games.

Tied:
TOI- 103 Minutes
CF%- 45.1%

Leading:
TOI- 102 Minutes
CF%- 28.8%

Trailing:
TOI- 51.0 Minutes
CF%-51.0%

And crazy part is while leading the Flames have had 2 minutes of PP time, vs 15 minutes short handed. So that seems to show that NHL vaunted “game management” coming through. At even strength PP time is even at 7 minutes each, and while trailing the Flames have had 7:00 minutes of PP time vs 7:43 of short handed time. So once Flames get the lead the Stars seem to get a PP parade.

Great post, thanks!

Game management is a frustrating part of the NHL.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by SebC

The reason this team is so frustrating is because they've shown they can be a top-two team in the league. But that's also why anyone who says they don't have potential is wrong.

I've seen signs that they can be better than a bubble team, but there is nothing in this line-up that suggests top 2 in the NHL potential, to me. Have you seen the build of some of the top teams?

[SeeGeeWhy]

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[Tsawwassen]

Post game links
http://sportsstats.cbc.ca/hockey/nhl...cap132248.html
https://scores.nbcsports.com/nhl/rec...s=9&final=true
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...rue-character/
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...ies-two-games/
https://scores.nbcsports.com/nhl/pre...s=9&final=true

[Lanny_McDonald]

12 seconds from taking a commanding lead in the series and pretty much locking it up. Now they are on the wrong side of momentum and going into a short best of three. Dallas has been the better team by a good margin the past two games. The Flames need to regroup and start playing like they did against Winnipeg. Stop collapsing in on top of your selves and letting the Stars own the zone. They are not paying a price for having the puck and it is showing. They continue to play like this and it will be over soon enough.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

This is why a rebuild is necessary

4 game sample size against one opponent that plays a particularly stifling style. Read as much into it as you want.

It seems like you (and some others) want to just keep beating the advance stats drum to support your narrative of how bad the Flames are. Not sure why you keep at it; we all know where you stand.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Flames are getting outplayed but a big part of that is they are leading more frequently.

I think it’s starting to show up in their end get too. It takes a lot of energy to defend and 8 playoff games in 16 days with 2 back to backs and a weird schedule. They are a team that looks tired to me.

Here are the numbers across different situations through 4 games.

Tied:
TOI- 103 Minutes
CF%- 45.1%

Leading:
TOI- 102 Minutes
CF%- 28.8%

Trailing:
TOI- 51.0 Minutes
CF%-51.0%

And crazy part is while leading the Flames have had 2 minutes of PP time, vs 15 minutes short handed. So that seems to show that NHL vaunted “game management” coming through. At even strength PP time is even at 7 minutes each, and while trailing the Flames have had 7:00 minutes of PP time vs 7:43 of short handed time. So once Flames get the lead the Stars seem to get a PP parade.

When you have a CF% of 28.8% you are going to take a lot of penalties. So I don't see this as NHL game management. Its flames prevent defense preventing them from winning.