[PGT] Flames 4 - Stars 5

[browna]

Bennett got a penalty the first shift he played up with that top line tonight.

Sorry to say, if he has to think too much or feel pressure to make a play, he ends up hesitating too long and being ineffective or worse.

But, simply go tell him to go out and hit and create and use energy and then wear down the other team, and collect the loose picks you create with that enrrgy, and all your linemates are going to do the same in Lucic and Dube? That he can do.

Stand infront of the net with your stick on the ice on the pp? That he can do.

But his game has to be simple and in the playoffs I think he is comfortable to be simple. In the reg season he's not comfortable with that role and is trying to put up stars or whatever, and he falls flat.

Therefore, keep him chugging on the third line and put him infront of the net on the PP if MT is out. Putting him on the top line is not going to do him, the top line, or the third line, any favours right now.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ Lol. “Bennett is the problem” agenda

You see the ref views on Gio and Mangiapane tonight, and Talbot’s stinker?

Promoting him to PP1 w Tkachuk out tied the game

Pretty much #### off

[djsFlames]

BSD is interesting. Can he eliminate the softies that Talbot allowed in the last two?

If so, that might be enough.

[united]

Look, I'm not saying Gaudreau has been good. At all. But let's get some honest context here. The Flames' top line has improved dramatically in the defensive end but it has cost them all their offence as a result. Having a first line that is one-dimensional - whether offensively or defensively - is tough to win the Stanley Cup with. Players don't get paid north of $6 million dollars with the expectation they can't control the game all over the ice and the entire top line (though Lindholm is sub-6) needs to step up and start doing that. No one has a bigger impact than the centre.

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Johhny Gaudreau at 5v5 6 games in:

- 0 Points
- xGF/60 of 0.19 (4th lowest among players in the Playoffs who've played 60 minutes) There is a Flames player who ranks last in the league - #23
- iSCF/60 of 3.74 (7th lowest among players in the Playoffs who've played 60 minutes) There is a Flames player who ranks 3rd lowest in the league - #23
- iHDCF/60 of 0 (obviously dead last) Absolutely awful and not the only Flames player at 0 as #28 is there as well (though nobody actually legitimately uses HDCF given it's 2020)
- CF% Rel of -9.52 There are two prominent Flames lower - #23 and #28
- FF% Rel of -7.23 There are the two prominent Flames lower - #23 and #28
- SF% Rel of -6.67 There are the two prominent Flames lower - #23 and #28
- SCF% Rel of -13.65 There is one prominent Flames player lower - #28, with #23 in 3rd last (nobody uses this in 2020)
- HDCF% Rel of -59.65 There is one prominent Flames player lower - #28, with #23 in 3rd last (nobody uses this in 2020)
- xGF% Rel of -18.00 There is one prominent Flames player lower - #28, with #23 in 3rd last though #28 and #13 are significantly worse than #23

He's been a complete detriment to the Flames in every way possible 5v5

Like actually what the f***. I didn't know numbers could get that bad. Almost can't help but laugh at that level of pathetic play

[browna]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ Lol. “Bennett is the problem” agenda


Pretty much #### off

Happy Friday to you too.

Didn't say he was the problem. Responding to the poster saying to promote him to the top line full time.

[browna]

Originally Posted by AC

Yeah, it's one of those plays where in super slow motion it looks damning. At full speed I just can't agree with the call though. Some of these reviews seem like they need to be exclusively analyzed at full speed only IMO as everything looks intentional in super slow mo (Tkachuk's skate skipping up into Scheifele for example).

Agreed.. At very least it should've been a goal on the ice and let Dallas decide to challenge it. Likely have come out the same but you never know, and would've forced Dallas to make the decision to use their challenge.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by browna

Bennett got a penalty the first shift he played up with that top line tonight.

Sorry to say, if he has to think too much or feel pressure to make a play, he ends up hesitating too long and being ineffective or worse.

But, simply go tell him to go out and hit and create and use energy and then wear down the other team, and collect the loose picks you create with that enrrgy, and all your linemates are going to do the same in Lucic and Dube? That he can do.

Stand infront of the net with your stick on the ice on the pp? That he can do.

But his game has to be simple and in the playoffs I think he is comfortable to be simple. In the reg season he's not comfortable with that role and is trying to put up stars or whatever, and he falls flat.

Therefore, keep him chugging on the third line and put him infront of the net on the PP if MT is out. Putting him on the top line is not going to do him, the top line, or the third line, any favours right now.

I agree for the most part about simplicity for Bennett but at this point something needs to give, we have enough of a sample size to realize that something needs to change on that top line. I'd like to see Bennett on the 2nd line with Monahan and Gaudreau with a different centre.

[Enoch Root]

Do the Flames submit video of the spear to the league?

They fricking better

[united]

As much as we hate him, sneaky good play by Corey Perry on the winner. Fakes shot/soft dump the entire way, pulling Forbort's body and especially stick out of the passing lane, then rolls his wrists at the last second to pull (in the golf sense of pull) the puck tape-to-tape to Oleksiak back door. Credit to the big man, Oleksiak, too, as it's way easier than it looks to re-direct that play wide left as a lefty.

Miscommunication between Dube (RW) and Gaudreau (LW) on who was covering the right-side pointman during a rushed change due to a fumbled clearance by Dube. Gaudreau was rushing to the spot where Perry was but realized too late it was a broken play and put in a half-assed attempt at recovering. Bad clearance, bad attention to detail by Johnny, and a great play by Perry.

I also wasn't a fan of Ward splitting up the third line and I'm not usually one to criticize the coaches for one-game decisions. Of course Bennett immediately took an undisciplined penalty in that scenario, too.

I really thought the Flames were going to take it to the Stars in overtime so that's a ####ty call by me and a bit of a gut punch. Whoops!

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by browna

Bennett got a penalty the first shift he played up with that top line tonight.

Sorry to say, if he has to think too much or feel pressure to make a play, he ends up hesitating too long and being ineffective or worse.

But, simply go tell him to go out and hit and create and use energy and then wear down the other team, and collect the loose picks you create with that enrrgy, and all your linemates are going to do the same in Lucic and Dube? That he can do.

Stand infront of the net with your stick on the ice on the pp? That he can do.

But his game has to be simple and in the playoffs I think he is comfortable to be simple. In the reg season he's not comfortable with that role and is trying to put up stars or whatever, and he falls flat.

Therefore, keep him chugging on the third line and put him infront of the net on the PP if MT is out. Putting him on the top line is not going to do him, the top line, or the third line, any favours right now.

The 2nd 5v5 goal Gaudreau's been on the ice for these Playoffs came with Bennett on the ice when the 2nd goal was scored.

Bennett was the only Flames player on the ice for 2 goals for 5v5.

In the 4:45 he spent with Monahan and Gaudreau today, they had an xGF% of 78.63%.

Bennett, Dube and Lucic have literally been carrying this team on their shoulders the entirety of the playoffs

[3rd liner]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Good news is Bishop looks vulnerable.

Bad game by the Flames for a good portion of it and still put five pucks behind him. (That review was balogna)

Agree- bishop actually looked soft and awkward. He is beatable. This is completely a winnable series. Other than a few solid performances from a handful of Flames olayers Dallas was the better team.
Oh yeah, ***k Jamie Benn. As anybody who has played any form of hockey knows even if you are looking straight ahead you know where the blade of your stick is and from peripheral vision you are aware where the other guy is. Not saying he was aiming for his groin but the stick was meant for Tkachuk’s midsection.

If Tkachuk is out tomorrow the boys better be fired up for him. A fired up, physical but disciplined flames team can beat these Dallas a-holes. Send cry-baby benn packing. GFG.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

After he split up the 3rd line, Dube and Lucic were non factors the rest of the game.

You can't break up a line that is playing that well and providing your team with that much energy and momentum

It didn't end up working, but I fully support Ward trying. We were getting killed most of he game.

Something had to be done.

As for Gaudreau, I would make the lukewarm defense that Monahan and Lindholm were pretty terrible too. Neither had even a shot on net and couldn't win battles. Gaudreau wasn't t good at all, but at least he got a point and the second most shots on net after Bennett.

The whole first line sucked.

[Barnet Flame]

The Stars were better and responded well to going behind after 19 seconds. Their response was helped by a tepid performance by the Flames.

However, we responded well to come back level despite the disaster that was the double minor PP.

The problem we have is that our talented players, whilst being very talented individuals, as a group it doesn't work and there is an increasing body of evidence that it won't ever work, particularly in the post-season.

Credit to Ward for his in-game effort to trying to sort out the top line - but nothing he does is working with Gaudreau and Monahan. You know you have issues with your top line when after game 1, the discussion was around how we didn't concede when they were on the ice rather than how much they produced.

I've seen enough to want to move one of the pieces on when we have a chance of getting some value. My preference is to move Johnny - and soon. His value to us is headed in one direction and everybody can see it.

[Itse]

While I get where this discussion is coming from, this continuous trade-Johnny talk is really tiresome and completely premature until the playoffs are over. Trades are literally impossible right now, and there's still plenty of hockey to be played before they're again an option.

How about we keep the post game discussion in topics that are relevant to the game and/or series?

There's a whole other thread for trade speculation for people who are really into it.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Itse

While I get where this discussion is coming from, this continuous trade-Johnny talk is really tiresome and completely premature until the playoffs are over. Trades are literally impossible right now, and there's still plenty of hockey to be played before they're again an option.

How about we keep the post game discussion in topics that are relevant to the game and/or series?

There's a whole other thread for trade speculation for people who are really into it.

The talk is relevant because it is the outcome resulting from how he is performing.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Johhny Gaudreau at 5v5 6 games in:

- 0 Points
- xGF/60 of 0.19 (4th lowest among players in the Playoffs who've played 60 minutes)
- iSCF/60 of 3.74 (7th lowest among players in the Playoffs who've played 60 minutes)
- iHDCF/60 of 0 (obviously dead last)
- CF% Rel of -9.52
- FF% Rel of -7.23
- SF% Rel of -6.67
- SCF% Rel of -13.65
- HDCF% Rel of -59.65
- xGF% Rel of -18.00

He's been a complete detriment to the Flames in every way possible 5v5

Like actually what the f***. I didn't know numbers could get that bad. Almost can't help but laugh at that level of pathetic play

I've defended him in the past, but oof, that is downright embarrassing. I thought as the years went on he would figure out how to play his game in the playoffs, but he appears to be getting worse.

It doesn't help that the Stars are the worst possible match up for his style of game, but he's still gotta fight through their defense and checking ability. This is what it is to be in the playoffs.

If he doesn't turn it around, and the team doesn't advance, I think he's as good as traded.

[gt4flames]

The sky is falling, trade Johnny for a lifetime supply of Philly cheese steaks.

[EVERLAST]

Any footage of the spear? Is this Disciplinary worthy? Never saw game so just wondering.

[Geeoff]

The consistency of the refs is frustrating. In game 1, the Stars and Flames were mauling each other and the whistles were put away and game 2 is officiated like a regular season game...

[Tsawwassen]

Post game links
https://scores.nbcsports.com/nhl/rec...s=3&final=true
http://sportsstats.cbc.ca/hockey/nhl...cap132237.html