[PGT] One to go. Flames win 6-2

[868904]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

lol Jets fans are weird. They try so hard to matter... it's like they're so irrelevant that nobody even remembers to tell them they're irrelevant. They're like angry little roof people at Hooli.

It's very sad, but the Jets, their fans and the City of Winnipeg are like the poor man's Edmonton, which is really really sad.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Any thoughts on the game lol?

There was a game?

[Shirokumayama]

Originally Posted by soreshins

Flames were accused of being “soft” last year. Win or lose this series, I think they have shown that they are definitely not soft. He’s no puck wizard but I think having Lucic on the team has benefitted them more than some may think.

Agreed. I will take him over Neal any day!

[868904]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Love that little point of hers at the end

Love all of her points.

As for the game. Good effort, the key is to keep it going and show some consistency instead of falling back into the same trap of being in love with your last game.

I thought Talbot has been pretty good. Even in the loss. How he has played this year reminds me of the good years he had in Edmonton. I seem to remember him being all world the year the Oilers made the playoffs. It was pretty much him and Mcdavid dragging that team into the second round.

I'd really like to see Jankowski throw his weight around. He's one of the bigger guys on this team and he's not finishing his checks. A leader in the dressing room needs to call him out and wake him up.

As for the Jets, they should rename their team to the Winnipeg Glass. What the hell is going on there? Most of these aren't even malicious hits. Some are just glancing hits and they are dropping like flies.

[Rutuu]

It makes sense that the two fanbases are not very self reflective and able to take an honest look from someone else's perspective. Those are two traits highly correlated with success, and we're talking about two places in Edmonton and Winnipeg that no one CHOOSES to live in or move too. Over time the people that aren't successful enough to get out multiply, and the people that can get out leave. The proportion of selfish, unaware and ignorant fans will be on the rise for generations in those two cities I'm afraid. Get used to it.

[Passe La Puck]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

It makes sense that the two fanbases are not very self reflective and able to take an honest look from someone else's perspective. Those are two traits highly correlated with success, and we're talking about two places in Edmonton and Winnipeg that no one CHOOSES to live in or move too. Over time the people that aren't successful enough to get out multiply, and the people that can get out leave. The proportion of selfish, unaware and ignorant fans will be on the rise for generations in those two cities I'm afraid. Get used to it.

This is so stupid, the same can be said about Calgary as well.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Passe La Puck

This is so stupid, the same can be said about Calgary as well.

Agreed. It's a danger if the city stops attracting top people.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by getbak

It's a small sample size, but after the trade deadline, the Flames had the best power play in the league.

They had 12 PP opportunities in 7 games and scored 5 PPG, for a percentage of 41.7%. Edmonton was second at 35.3%.

They were also tied with Vegas for the fewest PP chances per game after the trade deadline. In the same time, Pittsburgh had 36 PPs in 8 games.

So what you're saying is that Monahan and Backlund are better than Crosby and Malkin

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Abatedmean

At what point do we start considering giving Mangiapane PP1 time? He has been playing very well. Ik it is very crowded on the first unit but perhaps somehting could be switched up to see if they can get some new chemistry or something.

Who is he going to replace on PP 1?

Nobody.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

The irony of this post pretty remarkable , considering the epic meltdown after losses on this board.

What do you expect to see on an opposing fans message board after a loss? Reasoned debate and polite discussion? Get real and get over yourself. Pathetic is too polite a word to use here but I'll be charitable.

You want to know what's pathetic? Posting here like you are some even keel fan in a forum of opposing fans while posting absolute nonsense like below on your own team forum trying to make Flames fans look bad;

Imagine being a flames fan and thinking your team is a dark horse to win the cup because you won game 1. Those people exist.

Now imagine losing game 2 to the Jets B squad. Just imagine.

Put that in your around the league report

I post here every single day and I've not seen anyone here call the Flames a Stanley Cup dark horse after winning game one of this series. Please show me where those people exist. You really need to take a look in the mirror and grow up as I got no issues with other fans posting here but you really have to stop playing the victim here when you are the worst of the worst when it comes to stuff like this.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Great end result. It was more of a roller coaster than it probably needed to be. Take the win, take the momentum shift, and finish the Jets off on Thursday.

Glad to see Lucic get rewarded with a goal after the first one was disallowed (horrible call). Neither shot could break a pane of glass, but they found their way into the cage, so good on Milan. The most important thing he brings to the mix is the counter to Lowry. Every time Lowry skates into a scrum and tries to intimidate, Lucic glides in and goes toe-to-toe, causing Lowry to quickly get separation behind a linesman. Lowry is a Flames killer and Lucic has taken a huge part of his game, and value to Jets, away just by skating into the scrum.

Originally Posted by White Out 403

The irony of this post pretty remarkable , considering the epic meltdown after losses on this board.

What do you expect to see on an opposing fans message board after a loss? Reasoned debate and polite discussion? Get real and get over yourself. Pathetic is too polite a word to use here but I'll be charitable.

You have a point. All fan bases are pretty similar in that regard. A loss comes and the long knifes come out. Where those long knives are pointed is what is important.

I find that Flames fans tend to focus on 1) the refereeing, 2) the coaching, 3) the Flames whipping boys, 4) the refereeing, 5) the GM and make up of the team, 6) the actual players who are paid to make a difference. Rarely do Flames fans take a look at the other team and what they just did to beat the Flames. Every loss on this board is pretty much self-inflicted in some way.

Jets and Oilers fans are a little different. They tend to immediately start going full Brutus on 1) the other team's best players, and claiming they are dirty, 2) the other team's role players, and claiming they are dirty, 3) the other team's coaching and management, and claiming they encourage dirty play, 4) the referees, allowing dirty plays being committed against their saintly players, 5) the sun getting in their eyes. Oilers fans take it one step further by 6) claiming a league wide conspiracy to hold their team back and prevent them from claiming the hardware that is theirs by birthright. But beyond that, the two fan bases are pretty well the same and never look at the play of their own team as a major contributing factor to a loss.

Originally Posted by Rutuu

It makes sense that the two fanbases are not very self reflective and able to take an honest look from someone else's perspective. Those are two traits highly correlated with success, and we're talking about two places in Edmonton and Winnipeg that no one CHOOSES to live in or move too. Over time the people that aren't successful enough to get out multiply, and the people that can get out leave. The proportion of selfish, unaware and ignorant fans will be on the rise for generations in those two cities I'm afraid. Get used to it.

Calgary isn't that much different. Small outpost on the edge of the NHL's hinterlands. What works in Calgary's advantage is diversity and education, meaning people are more open to introspection. But there are times where you have to question just how much of a difference that makes, as team sports is team sports and people get wrapped up in it pretty tightly. Doesn't matter how bad a player is, he's our player and we shall look past his uselessness so long as he wears our colors.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

It makes sense that the two fanbases are not very self reflective and able to take an honest look from someone else's perspective. Those are two traits highly correlated with success, and we're talking about two places in Edmonton and Winnipeg that no one CHOOSES to live in or move too. Over time the people that aren't successful enough to get out multiply, and the people that can get out leave. The proportion of selfish, unaware and ignorant fans will be on the rise for generations in those two cities I'm afraid. Get used to it.

Impressive. A eugenics-like take on the city of Winnipeg and Edmonton. Genetically, the fans in Winnipeg and Edmonton are simply superior. Survival of the fittest fans! But then I wonder what will come of Calgary as brain drain happens here as the oil sector evaporates? Better call Kenney and tell them of your hair brained hockey fan/genetics theory.

No, I'm wrong, all class here all the time

Originally Posted by New Era

Great end result. It was more of a roller coaster than it probably needed to be. Take the win, take the momentum shift, and finish the Jets off on Thursday.

Glad to see Lucic get rewarded with a goal after the first one was disallowed (horrible call). Neither shot could break a pane of glass, but they found their way into the cage, so good on Milan. The most important thing he brings to the mix is the counter to Lowry. Every time Lowry skates into a scrum and tries to intimidate, Lucic glides in and goes toe-to-toe, causing Lowry to quickly get separation behind a linesman. Lowry is a Flames killer and Lucic has taken a huge part of his game, and value to Jets, away just by skating into the scrum.



You have a point. All fan bases are pretty similar in that regard. A loss comes and the long knifes come out. Where those long knives are pointed is what is important.

I find that Flames fans tend to focus on 1) the refereeing, 2) the coaching, 3) the Flames whipping boys, 4) the refereeing, 5) the GM and make up of the team, 6) the actual players who are paid to make a difference. Rarely do Flames fans take a look at the other team and what they just did to beat the Flames. Every loss on this board is pretty much self-inflicted in some way.

Jets and Oilers fans are a little different. They tend to immediately start going full Brutus on 1) the other team's best players, and claiming they are dirty, 2) the other team's role players, and claiming they are dirty, 3) the other team's coaching and management, and claiming they encourage dirty play, 4) the referees, allowing dirty plays being committed against their saintly players, 5) the sun getting in their eyes. Oilers fans take it one step further by 6) claiming a league wide conspiracy to hold their team back and prevent them from claiming the hardware that is theirs by birthright. But beyond that, the two fan bases are pretty well the same and never look at the play of their own team as a major contributing factor to a loss.



Calgary isn't that much different. Small outpost on the edge of the NHL's hinterlands. What works in Calgary's advantage is diversity and education, meaning people are more open to introspection. But there are times where you have to question just how much of a difference that makes, as team sports is team sports and people get wrapped up in it pretty tightly. Doesn't matter how bad a player is, he's our player and we shall look past his uselessness so long as he wears our colors.

I think you'll find awful content from both fanbases online after losses. People who take the time to register accounts and voice their opinions online (not just here, reddit, facebook, etc) are going to be more prone to saying crazy emotional ####.

[N26]

For a PGT after a big win this thread has a really high percentage of "unfortunate" posts.

Let's do better

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Great end result. It was more of a roller coaster than it probably needed to be. Take the win, take the momentum shift, and finish the Jets off on Thursday.

Glad to see Lucic get rewarded with a goal after the first one was disallowed (horrible call). Neither shot could break a pane of glass, but they found their way into the cage, so good on Milan. The most important thing he brings to the mix is the counter to Lowry. Every time Lowry skates into a scrum and tries to intimidate, Lucic glides in and goes toe-to-toe, causing Lowry to quickly get separation behind a linesman. Lowry is a Flames killer and Lucic has taken a huge part of his game, and value to Jets, away just by skating into the scrum.



You have a point. All fan bases are pretty similar in that regard. A loss comes and the long knifes come out. Where those long knives are pointed is what is important.

I find that Flames fans tend to focus on 1) the refereeing, 2) the coaching, 3) the Flames whipping boys, 4) the refereeing, 5) the GM and make up of the team, 6) the actual players who are paid to make a difference. Rarely do Flames fans take a look at the other team and what they just did to beat the Flames. Every loss on this board is pretty much self-inflicted in some way.

Jets and Oilers fans are a little different. They tend to immediately start going full Brutus on 1) the other team's best players, and claiming they are dirty, 2) the other team's role players, and claiming they are dirty, 3) the other team's coaching and management, and claiming they encourage dirty play, 4) the referees, allowing dirty plays being committed against their saintly players, 5) the sun getting in their eyes. Oilers fans take it one step further by 6) claiming a league wide conspiracy to hold their team back and prevent them from claiming the hardware that is theirs by birthright. But beyond that, the two fan bases are pretty well the same and never look at the play of their own team as a major contributing factor to a loss.



Calgary isn't that much different. Small outpost on the edge of the NHL's hinterlands. What works in Calgary's advantage is diversity and education, meaning people are more open to introspection. But there are times where you have to question just how much of a difference that makes, as team sports is team sports and people get wrapped up in it pretty tightly. Doesn't matter how bad a player is, he's our player and we shall look past his uselessness so long as he wears our colors.

Have to agree on many points you have made recently. That said, your point on Lucic here is a pretty stark turn around on your earlier argument in the trade speculation thread on the Neal-Lucic trade and the harsh criticism towards Treliving.

I’ll take Lucic on this team over Neal every day of the week. The third and salary retained by the Oilers are just icing on the cake. Real shrewd move by Treliving in my books. Neal, on the other hand, was a parasite. I would bet he’s bought out in a year or two. Although the trade was unpopular at the time, perhaps Treliving and Flames hockey ops deserve some credit after all.

[JohnnyB]

Troll's gonna troll....

Anyways, it was a good win. The best the Flames have played in the playoffs since Hartley's days.

It may have been against a depleted opponent, but it's something to build on. The question now is whether or not the Flames can build on it.

Hopefully they come out next game keeping it simple and fast to start again.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Have to agree on many points you have made recently. That said, your point on Lucic here is a pretty stark turn around on your early argument in the trade speculation thread on the Neal-Lucic trade and the harsh criticism towards Treliving.

I’ll take Lucic on this team over Neal every day of the week. The third and salary retained by the Oilers are just icing on the cake. Real shrewd move by Treliving in my books. Neal, on the other hand, was a parasite. I would bet he’s bought out in a year or two. Although the trade was unpopular at the time, perhaps Treliving and Flames hockey ops deserve some credit after all.

I will happily admit that I have totally flipped my stance on the Lucic trade. I had nothing but vitriol for bringing in Lucic and his contract when the trade was made. Now, while it's obviously still a bad contract, I'm totally good with Lucic as a player on the Flames and I do think he adds something valuable that the Flames were missing before that trade. I've come to really like Lucic.

[ASP#26525]

Originally Posted by Buff

Dishwasher soap or furniture polish solves that problem. I just couldn't handle the cage so I went to the clear shield. Yup, it fogged. I tried furniture polish to clean it before each game it it worked like a charm. I've seen others have success with dish soap.

Women wear them almost exclusively, no? They've had to have found something that works...

I use dishsoap on my nerd glasses whenever I wear a mask. As long as the mask is tight on my nose, it seems to help.

P.S. FLAMES WIN!

[getoverit]

The attraction was the actual dollars being traded as Lucic salary is mainly bonuses. Trade lingered until Oilers paid him. Anyone know the math of actual true $savings. Though i read around $19M ??

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Looch, a 3rd, & $750,000 in cap space

For Neal.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Have to agree on many points you have made recently. That said, your point on Lucic here is a pretty stark turn around on your early argument in the trade speculation thread on the Neal-Lucic trade and the harsh criticism towards Treliving.

You know you can dislike a player and a trade used to acquire said player and still give that player kudos for his play? I still think Lucic is a massive weak link on the team. He's a terrible hockey player on an outrageous contract. I do appreciate the impact he is having on the ice, but it is also frustrating watching a player who can't skate, can't pass, and can't shoot worth a damn. I'd rather have someone else in his spot, but I do see that he is having a positive impact in one aspect of the game. It isn't worth $5M+.

I’ll take Lucic on this team over Neal every day of the week. The third and salary retained by the Oilers are just icing on the cake. Real shrewd move by Treliving in my books. Neal, on the other hand, was a parasite. I would bet he’s bought out in a year or two. Although the trade was unpopular at the time, perhaps Treliving and Flames hockey ops deserve some credit after all.

I would prefer neither of them were on the team, and that has been my stance. You do what you have to mitigate mistakes, not compound them by taking on another mistake. Lucic will have to score the cup clinching goal for me to think this was a good trade, because that money pit makes improving the team in areas needed that much more difficult.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by timbit

Who is he going to replace on PP 1?

Nobody.

This was my thought as well (also whenever someone posts something similar). Unless you are arguing to make two more balanced units, you can’t do it. And you shouldn’t try to do that because any team’s first unit gets something like 2/3 of the ice time.