there's zero in the Tkachuk hit that looks remotely dirty.
go through frame by frame, and Tkachuk's skate looks like its back on that ice just before the contact.
yes, he makes contact with Scheiffle's exposed leg/angle on the contact, but this stuff is happening at full speed, not sure what else tkachuk was supposed to do when Scheiffle was dragging his leg behind on the late turn and Tkachuk's right leg was also turning to try finishing contact on the check.
I hate to say it because it's going to sound like a cherry-esque "keep your head up" but this isn't the first time he's been injured when trying to dodge a hit either. Might be better going forward to just take the hit
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Laine hits Gio with an elbow to the jaw on that play. It's why he appears to apologize and why Giordano is pissed and has none of it. Laine also jams his left hand into the boards on that play and that is presumably where he hurts.
Remember when Tkachuk threw an Elbow @ Poughty's head?
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Laine's elbow was about as obvious point of contact to the head as Tkachuks.. no call because instead of grabbing his face and crying on the ice, Gio gets up and stands up for himself.
I think my "favorite" thing about the Maurice clip is when asked what he thinks about no Penalty being called on the play or why he didnt ask for it to be reviewed he says:
"The broadcast angle doesnt show it"
"I don't expect the refs to be able to see this, but there's malicious intent"
"Its grotesque"
Good lord wtf is he drinking?
I get it, they just lost their #1 center and key cog in their entire team, but lets be honest with ourselves here. The whole play in real time was less than 1.4 seconds at full speed, both forwards skates are chopping along the ice the entire time they're trying to slow down.
I'd like to hear what exactly is wrong with Schiefle because it looks more like something is broke VS's something is cut and Maurice is just panning to the media to paint Tkachuk with this ignorant brush of bull####.
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And why has NO ONE mentioned the elbow Laine landed on Gio’s chin to start the play?
To be fair to Laine, it was obviously an accidental elbow. After he hit Gio he put his hand up to say sorry during the play. Giordano did get clocked though, I was worried for a second as he laid on the ice. I totally understand the crosscheck afterwards because Gio got rocked.
The Tkachuk incident was obviously an accident. I mean he wanted to make contact, but there is no way in real time that he could think take out his ankle. It was more like protecting himself from crashing skates first into the boards.
Sure in slow slow sloooooow motion it looks worse but Im pretty sure Matthews real name isn't Neo Tkachuk and he doesnt live in the Matrix.
Or does he?
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Actually kinda funny. To be completely honest, when I first saw Scheifele go down, I thought "Uh oh, Chucky..." but then the replay proved there was absolutely no intent whatsoever.
Can definitely see why Jets fans would be pissed but any other player than Chucky and it's not even a discussion
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I'm not really one that buys into "intangibles" and I put much more focus on the deeper numbers, but I do think in this situation with zero fans in the building, intangibles could actually play a massive part and work in the Flames' favor.
With someone like Tkachuk who is soooo vocal throughout the entire game and gives his all every shift, he's basically the Flames' own little fan cheering section and in an environment as quiet as any of these players have ever played in, it could be that tiiiiiny bit of extra push and motivation that gives them an edge.
Then you have players like Bennett, Andersson, Dube, Mangiapane, Gio, Lucic and even Lindholm who aren't afraid to go out there and throw their bodies around to keep the edge consistent every shift.
Jets coach Paul Maurice on #Flames Matthew Tkachuk: “I don’t think he came off the bench and said, ‘Hey I’m going to see if I can go stab the back of Mark Scheifele’s leg with my skate.’ I think he got to that point and I think that’s exactly what he did.”
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I think Tkachuk did try to make contact with the skates. I don't think he was trying to cut him though, that was an accident. He should be suspended if Schieffele is out long term.
Lame take is lame.
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Continued discussions today over Tkachuk-Scheifele hit. Jets officials continue to make their case. Can only imagine that ownership has made a call to the commissioner.
For those demanding it, I don’t think there will be a hearing
Even the idea that Maurice is trying to create a villain for his team is ludicrous to me. As a player, and intelligent adult, if I saw my coach trying to create this non-existent storyline, I would be embarrassed, not emboldened.
Yeah, I don't think this is Maurice doing his job, I think he's doing his team a disservice at this point.
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This is seriously going to go against the Jets, at this point the NHL is probably calling the officials to clamp down on the next game and if a Jet sneezes on MT they're going to the box to feel shame.
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Alright yesterday he got a pass for being emotional and upset at the whole thing, but doubling down now that he's had a chance to sleep on it and look at replays? Not a good look.
Rallying the troops is one thing but this amount of whining is just unprofessional
Quit trying to create incrimination out of an accident..Tkachuk was skating alongside Mark as he was coming off. He was concerned, not standing off somewhere admiring something he did purposefully.
Great win by the Flames after a bit of a slow start that really worried me. Good to see everyone contributing on every shift. Not a single passenger on the team from the 2nd period and on (probably the midway point of the first, but whatever).
Flames controlled the game, and the Jets showed us last night (IMO) as to why they are not one of those exceptions that drive the analytics community bonkers. They are what they are - a poorly built team with a few highly talented players and an all-world goalie. Poor depth and poor defence really showed. Their transition game is atrocious and fairly easy for the Flames to defend.
As for the whole Tkachuk thing - Tkachuk is a 'rat' and people will always want the rats to get their comeuppance. I have complained about Tkachuk's dirty plays at times in the past, at least when he first entered the league. He has been doing a hell of a job riding that fine line between clean and dirty without crossing it. Last night was no exception - I didn't see anything dirty surrounding the hit, and you have to really make huge leaps to do so. It just isn't there.
Poor Laine, however. Giordano being so damn dirty with his attempt to injure! If that wasn't the most blatantly sneaky example of an attempt to injure in the history of the NHL, I don't know what is. I don't think the rest of the NHL really caught it. If you do a frame-by-frame slow play of Laine's injury, you will see Jawordano come swooping in pretending not to see Laine's elbow, and then maliciously attack his elbow with his face knowing full-well that this action would drive Laine's wrist into the boards, knocking him out of the game. Get this guy out of hockey already before he ends careers!
Next game should be fun. I feel much more confident about the Flames this year. I haven't caught many Winnipeg games this season, but boy do they seem really soft. They are a team that seems pretty easy to intimidate, which I felt was much like the Flames the past couple of seasons until now.
Flames are capable of surprising physicality, with enough toughness to back it up. It really opens up the ice for players like Gaudreau and Monahan. Tkachuk and Bennett are going to have a hell of a playoffs, and I think people on this board will probably like Lucic and Rinaldo a little bit more as well. I bet Lucic and Ronaldo are going to impact this series - and the playoffs in general - more than people assume they will.
Flames have been a physically... unimposing presence in the last few playoffs. Ferland led the way and was a huge reason why the Flames found themselves in the second round that year (definitely not the only reason, but a huge contributor that series that created a tonne of room - both time and space - for the Flames to do their thing).
Flames played physical, they played skilled, they played emotional but were responsible, and were completely engaged and sticking to the game plan. I didn't see a scared team out there - at least once the nervousness wore off at some point in the first period. They had that 'swagger' about them for most of the game. I didn't see that swagger in the first game of the Colorado series last year. It was a nervous 1st game for them. This first game was swagger and everyone doing their part.
Jets are done. They have no fight. I like Lowry (even though he crushed Kylington with that dirty hit, unfortunately) and always saw him as a guy that the Flames should look at acquiring, but aside from him there are no 'meat and potatoes' on that team built for the playoffs. What are the Jets? They are a broken team trying to be like the Oilers with top-end talent capitalizing on their few chances, with (unlike the Oilers now, but much like the Oilers a few seasons ago) with a world-class goaltender.
As long as the Flames stick to their gameplan, the Jets are done. Flames need to continue hitting them and playing well defensively, and the Jets are done. They have no answers. Flames are the more talented team with the more physical players, and they are playing composed sound hockey.
Paul Maurice is a tool. Thankfully he has been the Jets' head coach throughout even when the Jets were an actual great team. Without him, the Jets might have experienced more than basically next to zero success. Now that the Jets kind of...suck.. or at least just have some rather large holes to fix, he doesn't have any answers. Ward - who I am not a fan of (but I will be if the Flames win the cup!) - seems like a better coach. Blaming Tkachuk seems like the only way he can try to inject life into the emotionless, intimidated and outright flat team that the Jets showed themselves to be last night. It probably won't work. They will go after Tkachuk next game, but they will just end up being intimidated again quickly. I have seen that show before from Calgary, and it is refreshing that they are not the same team any longer.
Barring a Hellebucyk miracle, I think the Flames won't have much of a fight on their hands left.
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