Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[Titan]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I just liked you got baby sat.

So, no thoughts on this latest video?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Extreme violence is what most cops seem to resort to if they encounter any sort of resistance whatsoever. What a disgrace

That video is disgusting and completely inexcusable and I can certainly understand the frustration and anger you are feeling watching it. However, making the statement that MOST cops resort to EXTREME VIOLENCE whenever they encounter ANY SORT OF RESISTANCE WHATSOEVER is simply wrong.

Do you truly believe that or was it an emotional response?

That person should not be a police officer and should be charged with assault.

[Dion]

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[#-3]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

That video is disgusting and completely inexcusable and I can certainly understand the frustration and anger you are feeling watching it. However, making the statement that MOST cops resort to EXTREME VIOLENCE whenever they encounter ANY SORT OF RESISTANCE WHATSOEVER is simply wrong.

Do you truly believe that or was it an emotional response?

That person should not be a police officer and should be charged with assault.

I think the problem is that while the police know the spotlight is all over them for this type of stuff, people seem to be coming up with examples of this on a weekly if not daily basis with relative ease.

It seems to ruin the bad apple arguement when it just keeps happening.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by #-3

I think the problem is that while the police know the spotlight is all over them for this type of stuff, people seem to be coming up with examples of this on a weekly if not daily basis with relative ease.

It seems to ruin the bad apple arguement when it just keeps happening.

That maybe true with regards to finding example on a weekly basis. But we have to remember that we are getting these disgusting examples from a very large sample size. The police respond to hundreds of thousands of calls a day throughout North America.

Calgary Police gets over 500,000 calls for service every year. The vast majority of calls do not result in a situation that happened in that video.

That type of behaviour is never acceptable and I hope the public keeps up the vigilance. But the vast majority of police encounters to not result in what Hemi-Cuda suggested.

[Mr.Coffee]

Well, there certainly was a criminal in that video.....

[OMG!WTF!]

One thing you won't see on video are the thousands of times police ruin people's lives with stupid, petty, unwarranted, completely fabricated or induced criminal charges. In my mind I find that much more disturbing and offensive and frequent than the occasional body slam. Without that video, that guy would likely have been charged with resisting and assault on an officer. That drives me totally crazy.

[Thor]

That was really hard to watch, and I just don't understand the need to escalate and be so aggressive. I once as a doorman saw a doorman on electric ave throw down a drunk guy who was being stupid down and his head hit the curb so hard it knocked him out, blood everywhere.

That particular doorman was charged and convicted as I recal, but again this take down technique cops are taught should only be used as a last resort, not to a calm drunk guy just being difficult.

Are there any updates on his condition?

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by stang

https://streamable.com/5fyi6p

Sherwood Park

Some additional context

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...c_location=ufi

[PsYcNeT]

Well being a public nuisance certainly is grounds for a bloody skull cracking.

Do the cops usually only dispatch a single guy to take care of a threat?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Some additional context

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...c_location=ufi

I don't know if anyone was arguing that the accused was an angel or being well behaved.

The issue is the officer went far too quickly to excessive force. His job is to deescalate* the situation, not to come in and throw his weight around.

A belligerent drunk, doesn't deserve to have their head smashed off the pavement.

Did he punch someone before the officer arrived? I don't know*, but neither did the officer.

It was handled poorly by the officer and not in line with how we expect an officer of the peace to carry themselves.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I just liked you got baby sat.

Keep struggling.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

That maybe true with regards to finding example on a weekly basis. But we have to remember that we are getting these disgusting examples from a very large sample size. The police respond to hundreds of thousands of calls a day throughout North America.

This is well said - I believe it's something like 50 million people have police interactions in the USA every year, and over 10 million arrests are made (which is actually significantly down from ten or fifteen years ago). If bodycams are deployed and used universally - which in my view they certainly should be - the number of videos documenting Police doing things they shouldn't do can only increase. And it's important for people to understand that there is literally no set of reforms that could be implemented, nothing that can be done, to create a system where no videos of this type ever emerge. There will always be some percentage of interactions between the police and the public where the police do something wrong, and as a result, there will always be another video.

Of course, that does not itself demonstrate that there are no structural problems contributing to these outcomes, either.

[OMG!WTF!]

The thing is though we aren't watching all of the videos available online of police doing terrible things. We see a few really bad ones that hit the news. But there are thousands of others. You could spend weeks watching them. Lots of them are not as egregious or violent but they definitely show a terrible lack of understanding of the scope of authority, a gross abuse of power and an over all contempt and desire to endanger the public. It's standard operating procedure. There is an awful lot that can be done to fix that sort of problem. It's not one off or rogue officers. It's trained agents completing their normal duties. Those smaller abuses of the public trust are exactly why we're here.

[dammage79]

Adding the context that he was already physically violent towards others puts my thoughts on this in a very Grey area.

If one of the people did that to him it would be self defense and a lot of "he had that coming". But now because it was cop who took no chances after knowing he was violent already and took him down at the first sign of resistance, he should lose his job.

I dont like it. I dont like that already violent people get to hurt others and then have to be treated with kiddie gloves when police arrive.

I dont like it one bit. The one thing that bugs the crap out of me is you're always, always supposed to use two people to deal with aggressive people. So things like cracked heads dont happen.

I dont know. I dont support police violence but I shure as hell do not support violent civilians either. Actions that create the situation should be equally accountable.

[Harry Lime]

What the cop knew coming to the scene, according to the comments by people there, was that this guy was drunk, verbally abusive, had punched two people including a fireman and assaulted a teenage girl. The two people in the parking lot were there to watch him until the cops got there.

What the cop did may be over the line, but he was alone dealing with a large drunk man that assaulted three people. The cops biggest mistake was immediately making contact with the guy before his backup arrived.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Adding the context that he was already physically violent towards others puts my thoughts on this in a very Grey area.

If one of the people did that to him it would be self defense and a lot of "he had that coming". But now because it was cop who took no chances after knowing he was violent already and took him down at the first sign of resistance, he should lose his job.

I dont like it. I dont like that already violent people get to hurt others and then have to be treated with kiddie gloves when police arrive.

I dont like it one bit. The one thing that bugs the crap out of me is you're always, always supposed to use two people to deal with aggressive people. So things like cracked heads dont happen.

I dont know. I dont support police violence but I shure as hell do not support violent civilians either. Actions that create the situation should be equally accountable.

It is NOT his job to punish. There is an entire system for that. His job is to de-escalate the situation, determine the facts as best he can and detain the person if he deems that necessary, using the MINIMAL AMOUNT OF FORCE as required by the situation.

He overshot massively.

I agree, if the suspect deserves some 'punishment' he should receive it. But he should receive it in a manner that respects his rights as enshrined in our laws and consistution/bill of rights. That is the only way it can work to protect ALL of us. Otherwise, it turns into anarchy, as we are seeing in the good ol' USA.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

What the cop knew coming to the scene, according to the comments by people there, was that this guy was drunk, verbally abusive, had punched two people including a fireman and assaulted a teenage girl. The two people in the parking lot were there to watch him until the cops got there.

What the cop did may be over the line, but he was alone dealing with a large drunk man that assaulted three people. The cops biggest mistake was immediately making contact with the guy before his backup arrived.

No. The cops biggest mistake was escalating the situation, slew footing an old, intoxicated man, and smashing his head into the ground. There are a million different ways he could have handled this and only a couple that would have had a worse outcome. I agree one option was to wait but that is not even necessary. He had the situation under control up to the point he decided to do an extremely dangerous take down of a person that was not acting violently to him at that time.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Adding the context that he was already physically violent towards others puts my thoughts on this in a very Grey area.

If you think smashing the head of a civilian into the ground for a little bit of resistance is a "very grey" area, you're part of the problem. You're looking to excuse this thug's actions when they have no reason to be excused.

Originally Posted by dammage79

If one of the people did that to him it would be self defense and a lot of "he had that coming". But now because it was cop who took no chances after knowing he was violent already and took him down at the first sign of resistance, he should lose his job.

If someone approached him when he was no longer a threat, grabbed him, and then threw him down to the ground smashing his head, they would be looking at clear aggravated assault charges and fortunately not murder charges. You don't get to claim self-defense when you engage with the person. That wouldn't even holdup in stand your ground areas. Now this is a cop apparently doing his job, so the point is moot.

Originally Posted by dammage79

I dont like it. I dont like that already violent people get to hurt others and then have to be treated with kiddie gloves when police arrive.

So you want the police to doll out punishment? That's the slippery slope that ends up with Starlight Tours and Godfred Addai-Nyamekye situations. Or well this one.

Cops aren't punishers. They should always meet force with the minimum response to complete their job safely. A simple shrug of his shoulder isn't enough to warrant lethal force, which make no mistake about it, what was done was lethal force. He just was fortunate not to die.

Originally Posted by dammage79

I dont know. I dont support police violence but I shure as hell do not support violent civilians either. Actions that create the situation should be equally accountable.

No one is supporting the violent civilian. This is sheer stupidity. We can assess the actions of the thug pig without having to support the actions of the man. They are mutually exclusive. A drunk belligerent man deserves to be arrested, charged for assault if he did indeed hit someone, give him public misconduct, whatever other charges. What he shouldn't have to do is bleed from his ####ing head cause some small-dicked cop needs to get his jollies off.

This is the same thing that George Floyd counter-protesters did by bringing up his past history. No one is saying George Floyd was a saint, but police had no right or reason to kill him. This man wasn't a saint, but the cop had no reason to smash his skull against the sidewalk. And it's sad that it even needs to be debated.

[dammage79]

nah, you're part of problem. I did nothing to anyone but post a thought on the subject. You're the attacker here and as such have no weight on any opinion here. This is the sad thing.

How it is allowed for such aggressive terminology that you get away with is beyond me. You try to play smart but this irrational hatred you keep posting on and blindly attacking even the slightest difference of opinion say a lot more about you than it does anybody else.

I promise you, if you ever spoke to me face to face the way you are here, it would incite a violent response where you would pray for police to come and save you. This isnt a IRL behavior your conducting yourself in.

So step off the gaslighting pedestal and calm yourself.