2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Roof-Daddy]

If you offer sheet Barzal, you aren't keeping both Monahan and Backlund as well.

Backlund has a full NTC, so it's probably Monahan you trade, and if you trade Monahan you get back some of the assets you lose by offer sheeting Barzal and also a good chunk of the cap space needed.

I also think you still look to sign Hall and trade Gaudreau.

Monahan and Gaudreau would get you a crap ton of futures to replace the lost 1st round picks.

1. Offer sheet Barzal
2. Sign Hall
3. Gaudreau, Kylington to Philly for something around Sanheim and Frost plus picks?
4. Monahan to Buffalo for something around 8th OA OR Cozens + other picks?
5. Because you got Sanheim from Philly, deal Hanifin for futures too (DET, NJD, MTL are teams that could use a good young LHD)

Hall - Barzal - Lindholm
Mangi - Backlund - Tkachuk
Dube - Frost - XXXX
Lucic - Ryan - XXXX

Giordano - Sanheim
Forbort* - Andersson
Valimaki - XXXX

Rittich
XXXX

* Forbort or some other vet UFA LHDman worth $2-3m AAV

Barzal + Hall takes over for Monahan + Gaudreau, it's a lot more cap (for now) but they'd be locked in for 7 years

[PepsiFree]

Yeah, we need a top six center. Whether that guy is in front of Monahan or behind him, moving Backlund down to a bigger shutdown role is where he’s most successful. Improving on Monahan would be great, but just being able to roll two high-skill offensive lines and one shutdown line is going to be a big difference maker for this team.

That said, if Dube can progress beyond a bottom six player, he could be the guy. I just don’t know how close he is to getting there or if he will, and taking that risk and having it not work out could kill our window.

[DB93]

With all this Gaudreau trade speculation, what would people think of the following deal - Gaudreau for Rakell + Comtois. Both Gaudreau and Rakell are signed for two more seasons. It saves us about $3mm annually that could in theory be put towards Taylor Hall or another FA.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by DB93

With all this Gaudreau trade speculation, what would people think of the following deal - Gaudreau for Rakell + Comtois. Both Gaudreau and Rakell are signed for two more seasons. It saves us about $3mm annually that could in theory be put towards Taylor Hall or another FA.

I would rather swallow a live grenade.

[Poe969]

I know everyone hates the idea but I would strongly look at trading Backlund. Unless he has an unreal playoffs, I would ask him and try to convince him to accept a trade.

Having Barzal and Monahan down the middle as a 1 2 punch would be insane. They need to seriously try to get a kid like that, they need more centre depth bug time.

[agulati]

I see all these proposals for Barzal. I don’t see why NYI will trade or let go a star center at the age he is at.

[EverfresH15]

[QUOTE=JTech780;7505743]IMO the biggest need for this team going into next year is down the middle, not on RW. I am absolutely fine with Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk and Mangiapane being the top 6 wingers on this team for next season, or if we trade Gaudreau and sign Hall so be it.

Monahan is a solid producing centerman, and Backlund is a very good all around center. If we could get another center it would make our top 9 more dangerous.

Now if it was Strome, and I agree he has plenty of warts, but I don't think his acquisition cost will be that high, Chicago has cap issues and they have Dach who is ready to take over as the #2 center on that team. We could put Strome with Tkachuk and Mangiapane, which would put Backlund on a 2nd line with Lucic and Dube. If there is a center on this team that would be able to get the most out of Lucic it would be Backlund, he has a great ability to get the most out of his linemates.

It isn't a great fit, and I would rather target a top 6 center in return for Gaudreau, whether that be Necas, Frost, Cozens, or Newhook.

One guy that could be available is Lars Eller, Washington is going to be looking to get rid of cap and they have Connor McMichael who will be ready to play in the NHL next year. Eller has 3 more years at $3.5m, he is an effective 3rd line center who can play up the lineup if there are injuries.

Also if Erik Haula makes it to free agency he is a guy who can play down the middle and can still skate.[/QUOTE

Why would Washington give up an elite center man?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by agulati

I see all these proposals for Barzal. I don’t see why NYI will trade or let go a star center at the age he is at.

They probably wouldn't but it would fun to watch Lou try to get under the cap if he matched an $11 million AAV offer sheet for Barzal.

That alone would put them about $3 million over the cap, and they'd still have to sign their #1 Dman Pulock and their #3 Dman Toews.

[timbit]

[QUOTE=EverfresH15;7505848]

Originally Posted by JTech780

IMO the biggest need for this team going into next year is down the middle, not on RW. I am absolutely fine with Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk and Mangiapane being the top 6 wingers on this team for next season, or if we trade Gaudreau and sign Hall so be it.

Monahan is a solid producing centerman, and Backlund is a very good all around center. If we could get another center it would make our top 9 more dangerous.

Now if it was Strome, and I agree he has plenty of warts, but I don't think his acquisition cost will be that high, Chicago has cap issues and they have Dach who is ready to take over as the #2 center on that team. We could put Strome with Tkachuk and Mangiapane, which would put Backlund on a 2nd line with Lucic and Dube. If there is a center on this team that would be able to get the most out of Lucic it would be Backlund, he has a great ability to get the most out of his linemates.

It isn't a great fit, and I would rather target a top 6 center in return for Gaudreau, whether that be Necas, Frost, Cozens, or Newhook.

One guy that could be available is Lars Eller, Washington is going to be looking to get rid of cap and they have Connor McMichael who will be ready to play in the NHL next year. Eller has 3 more years at $3.5m, he is an effective 3rd line center who can play up the lineup if there are injuries.

Also if Erik Haula makes it to free agency he is a guy who can play down the middle and can still skate.[/QUOTE

Why would Washington give up an elite center man?

Because Eller is not close to being elite and is 31 years old?

[JTech780]

[/QUOTE]Why would Washington give up an elite center man?[/QUOTE]

They are tight up against the cap, need a goalie and they need two 2nd pairing defensemen. They have Connor McMichael who will be ready to play next year and can play in the 3rd line center spot. Moving Eller is probably the asset they can move the most easily and the asset they would most likely be able to live with out.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I know everyone hates the idea but I would strongly look at trading Backlund. Unless he has an unreal playoffs, I would ask him and try to convince him to accept a trade.

Having Barzal and Monahan down the middle as a 1 2 punch would be insane. They need to seriously try to get a kid like that, they need more centre depth bug time.

Yes. I really like Backlund, but I see his contract being a bit of an anchor down the road (it goes until he's 35).

If the Flames acquired an elite center, I wouldn't want Backlund making $5.3 mill on the third line. Ideally, that spot would be used to develop a younger player who is decent defensively.

Barzal is exactly the type of player the Flames need. Moreso than anyone conceivably available. I could see him getting 100 points. Maybe even more.
Is his availability a long shot? Yes. But even pipe dreams should be considered.

[Harry Lime]

When was the last time an offer sheet wasn't matched by the original team? It seems like more of a negotiation tactic on the part of the player.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

When was the last time an offer sheet wasn't matched by the original team? It seems like more of a negotiation tactic on the part of the player.

Dustin Penner.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

When was the last time an offer sheet wasn't matched by the original team? It seems like more of a negotiation tactic on the part of the player.

Yup. In the last 20 years, one single offer sheet wasn't matched, and that was Dustin Penner, who was an over-paid disaster and threw his back out eating pancakes.

When your offer sheet is accepted, it generally means you've screwed yourself.

[timbit]

You want an elite #1 C, almost without exception, you have to draft him.

Bennett was supposed to be that guy. Swing and a miss.

[Roof-Daddy]

Yes offer sheets have traditionally between a pretty sad attempt to get a player, no doubt.

But does the flat cap change that at all?

Speaking of Barzal, the Isles have projected 19 roster players with $8 million cap space remaining. If they match a Barzal offer sheet of $11 million AAV that puts them $3 million over the cap.

Now they still have two key RFA's to sign, Pulock who was their #1 Dman this year and Toews who was their #3 Dman this year. Those two are getting probably roughly $10 million combined. Now the Isles are $13 million over the cap roughly. How in the world do they clear that much salary?

Islanders CapFriendly


Maybe this is the year we finally see an Aho style offer sheet actually work?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yes offer sheets have traditionally between a pretty sad attempt to get a player, no doubt.

But does the flat cap change that at all?

Speaking of Barzal, the Isles have projected 19 roster players with $8 million cap space remaining. If they match a Barzal offer sheet of $11 million AAV that puts them $3 million over the cap.

Now they still have two key RFA's to sign, Pulock who was their #1 Dman this year and Toews who was their #3 Dman this year. Those two are getting probably roughly $10 million combined. Now the Isles are $13 million over the cap roughly. How in the world do they clear that much salary?

Islanders CapFriendly

Brock Nelson gets moved. Ladd will retire. Thats 11.5 right there.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Brock Nelson gets moved. Ladd will retire. Thats 11.5 right there.

Brock Nelson has a full NTC and Ladd is going to walk away from $12 million?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Brock Nelson has a full NTC and Ladd is going to walk away from $12 million?

Yup. I meam I'm looking at their Capfriendly roster and there's not much else they do/hope for. You're not going to lose your franchise player, full stop.

Baffles me that ppl think NTCs are impossible to work.with. "hey brock, we gotta move you, where do you want to go?".

Brocl: "If not here then I'll go to these cities"

Isles: "K thnx"

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, I think the Flames continued streak of overpaying middle tier talent and not winning playoff series has been excellent. Elite talent? We better stay away from that so we can then spend money on crap players who make their teammates worse.

Flames never get top tier UFA talent, Flames never have success. Not the only reason of course, but it is one of them.

Lol at Hall being elite talent. He has had one year that would be considered an elite showing.