2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I read somewhere that this idea was already rejected by owners and players alike. Sorry I don't have a link, so grain of salt time...

I cannot see owners rejecting the idea of a compliance buyout. The players maybe but not the owners. As far as I can tell from past events the league does not need the NHLPA approval to do compliance buyouts. The PA had nothing to do with the last round.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Those have absolutely zero to do with compliance buyouts. Those would be announced after the playoffs. The CBA has no relevance at all to the topic.

There have been compliance buyouts once in NHL history and it was because of a new CBA. The CBA literally has absolutely everything to do with compliance buyouts.

[dissentowner]

I stand corrected, the PA would have to agree. I still can't see with the issues how it will not happen.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I cannot see owners rejecting the idea of a compliance buyout. The players maybe but not the owners. As far as I can tell from past events the league does not need the NHLPA approval to do compliance buyouts. The PA had nothing to do with the last round.

From Friedman a while back:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...on-nhl-season/

14) This is going to be an incredibly popular sentence, but what if the key to resuscitating NHL business is allowing the revenue powerhouses to flex their financial muscle? A growing number of executives say owners are against compliance buyouts, because they don’t want extra costs. If the cap stays at $81.5 million for the next two or three years, there’s going to be a squeeze. (It’s also going to be an enormous advantage for Seattle.)

Discusses an alternative though, they may come up with something new and interesting.

[Toonage]

^ This brings up the interesting situation of where Seattle's expansion draft may be closer to Vegas' than we all thought. Teams will be looking to make deals to free up cap space.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

There have been compliance buyouts once in NHL history and it was because of a new CBA. The CBA literally has absolutely everything to do with compliance buyouts.

Regardless I can't see any way financially it doesn't happen. If the cap does not go up combined with revenue loss you will literally see some of the smaller market teams fold.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I stand corrected, the PA would have to agree. I still can't see with the issues how it will not happen.

I doubt that the players would agree because the buyouts come out of HRR which would add even more to escrow.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Regardless I can't see any way financially it doesn't happen. If the cap does not go up combined with revenue loss you will literally see some of the smaller market teams fold.

How do compliance buyouts help teams that are on the ropes?
I can see some teams being in trouble with the huge drop in revenue but I don't understand how buyouts would help?

[Scroopy Noopers]

So Philly has 33 year old Matt Niskanen and his $5.75 coming off the books in 2 seasons. That looks like Johnny re-signing money to me.

They committed to Hayes (Centre) and have Giroux.

Johnny for Couturier. We get our top line Centre at a great cap hit for 3 years, and the money to and lineup space to add Hall.

They get their local boy for 2 years at an over performing cap hit, and then lock him down.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

So Philly has 33 year old Matt Niskanen and his $5.75 coming off the books in 2 seasons. That looks like Johnny re-signing money to me.

They committed to Hayes (Centre) and have Giroux.

Johnny for Couturier. We get our top line Centre at a great cap hit for 3 years, and the money to and lineup space to add Hall.

They get their local boy for 2 years at an over performing cap hit, and then lock him down.

Couturier is as untouchable as it gets. They'd trade Giroux before Couturier.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Couturier is as untouchable as it gets. They'd trade Giroux before Couturier.

Why? Why is he more untouchable than Johnny?

And no, Giroux is a beast.

[Vinny01]

I think we have a better shot at getting Konecny than Couturier but I don’t think we have a chance at either.

[Roof-Daddy]

If the Flames can sign Hall, a trade straight up for Couturier or Konecny would be about as good as it could get on paper, but I don't see Philly moving either of those two, not even for Johnny.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Why? Why is he more untouchable than Johnny?

And no, Giroux is a beast.

Because Giroux is 32 and the wheels are falling off man. The wheels are falling off. Giroux is going to need a walker by training camp.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If the Flames can sign Hall, a trade straight up for Couturier or Konecny would be about as good as it could get on paper, but I don't see Philly moving either of those two, not even for Johnny.

Then “NEXT!”

They are interested. Nobody else in the league would have touched Hayes with that deal.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

No more of these "desperate to unload him so get the most you can while being fair to the other team" proposals.

We're not here to do other teams favors by not taking our equal pound of flesh the other way and taking on their crap contracts for an amazing one.

Makes zero sense with such leverage.

No kidding

"we have to trade JG now to get the max value!"

Same people

"take this crap offer before its too late"

Flames should not even consider a JG trade now unless its a home run.

Same people will likely bitch when Gaudreau scores 100 points out east

[Vinny01]

I have read a few references to the Hamilton trade as the type of move the Flames should make and I do think that makes some sense. My line of thinking has been more along the lines of a reverse Hamonic trade. The Flames are potentially being afforded the rare opportunity where the elite prize of free agency would consider signing here.

Of all Treliving’s deals the Hamonic one set this team back the furthest. The Flames have lacked assets at the deadline and have a thin prospect pool due to this trade. Gaudreau has significantly more value than Hamonic at the time of the trade and should be able to get a more ready and higher end piece in return. A player that could be looking like a core piece by the time Tkachuk’s extension is going to be required. They need to be selling him on the 6-8 year future of the team and having an up and coming star prospect helps the cause.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

No kidding

"we have to trade JG now to get the max value!"

Same people

"take this crap offer before its too late"

Flames should not even consider a JG trade now unless its a home run.

Same people will likely bitch when Gaudreau scores 100 points out east

100% Gaudreau trade needs to be a home run, and taking significant salary back eliminates the home run potential.

That said, I think the reality of trading Gaudreau this off season to maximize value from the team's perspective is a pretty cut and dry case. The real variable is whether we can ensure Hall is signed before making the trade.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I think you've got to see how Hall and Gaudreau do on the same team before making moves. Let Hall and Gaudreau run two different lines. Have both of them on PP1 or split them up on different PP lines, whatever works.

If they don't mesh well after 20/21, then trade Gaudreau before his 5 team NTC kicks in.

[TheScorpion]

I just wish there was a way to get Ryan Getzlaf onto this team somehow.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Buffalo has significantly more cap flexibility than Philly. Buffalo has $35M this summer. Philly has Giroux and Voracek over $8M and JVR and Hayes over $7M with a lot of guys they will need to pay in the next couple of years.

Not sure why they are willing to pay more than Buffalo? They were a top team this year where Buffalo just missed for the 9th straight year and their franchise player said he is getting frustrated.

Johnny doesn’t have a say where he goes so the Flames can send him wherever. I think any team in the east outside of the Canadian teams would have a great chance to re-sign Johnny. New Jersey also has the pieces and flexibility.

As I stated in my post, Philly has more tradable assets that carry cap. Buffalo doesn't.

And as I stated, Philly is willing to pay more because they know Gaudreau is more likely to re-sign. And for them, "going for it" actually makes some sense.

I don't know how I can make it any clearer