2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Man, I think that's asking too much. Ryan is way too good a player to be a 13th forward. If he was 25 we'd be talking about him being a fixture in the top-nine. He plays like he's 25 -- is that not enough?

Ryan would easily be an everyday player on every Stanley Cup team of the last decade.

Maybe that is asking too much, but that should be the goal. Gather so much talent that players who would be every day players elsewhere are support players. If Ryan could be our Mark Hunter or Brian MacLellan, then we likely have a helluva team. That isn't a bad thing, that would be a good thing.

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Yes, let's push out arguably one of the hardest workers on the team. Good riddance.

Ryan makes this team better when he's in the lineup.

I didn't say that he was a bad player, just that it should be the goal to develop the depth on the team where is the 13th or 14th option. If you're adding bodies ahead of him that are better, that is a good thing is it not? Imagine the quality of the team if there were 13 or 14 players better than Ryan in the lineup. That is probably a Stanley Cup winner.

I don't know why people get so defensive about players or trying to improve upon positions. That's what the game is supposed to be about. Always trying to be better and developing more depth than the other team. Imagine if we had the ability to push Backlund out of the lineup? How good would our center group have to be to make that happen? The team should always try to improve the talent level and that is no insult to anyone.

[Roof-Daddy]

Ugh, I'm done with this convo. I am pumping the canucks tires right now and it's making me sick.

#### them lol

[Monahammer]

I have a very long and documented history of slagging Canucks fans over at that other place.

I have to agree with Roof-Daddy. As gross as it is, they are in a better position for the next 6 years today than we are. Bennett's failure to turn into a player of any notable value was really the death blow, but the inability to keep our current core together beyond the next 2 years is also a detractor for us. The Canucks have team control on their guys for quite some time, and even former whiffs (Virtanen) seem to be on an upswing.

The Canucks have a better future 1D (Hughes), better future 1C (I love Monahan more than most, but Pettersen is likely to eclipse him entirely next season) and only slightly less wing talent (Tkachuk and Lindholm IMO will remain better than any of Podlozkins, Hoglander, Virtanen, Boeser.) Their net future is equally uncertain. But they have answers to two major roster holes that we really dont have a certain answer for.

[Poe969]

It sucks seeing most of the team's rivals do things properly. I mean the nucks are still junk and run poorly IMO but they have a few really nice pieces. One of the main issues with the Flames is that it seems the team, and fans, fall in love with certain players and seem to care more about them than the team. I really think that's a recipe for disaster and the fact that the team has been so average at best for so long kinda shows it. The team needs to capitalize on some players like Gio, Backlund, Johnny and whoever else they think won't be here for the long haul. I think they really missed an opportunity to cash in on trading guys like Brodie and Hamonic as they'll likely walk and the team will have nothing to show for it.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I think Sam Bennett can do for the Flames what Gaudette can for the Canucks. Bennett just needs to stay healthy and find the right linemates.

Those linemates would have to be Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl.

[Erick Estrada]

IMO the Canucks are a bit of fools gold right now. There have been plenty of trendy teams with potential young talent of the day that never realize their potential. The Panthers seem to go through the cycle perennially as have the Oilers, Sabres, etc. I think there’s some potential there but I’m not willing to concede anything to that organization as they still have Weisbrod in the house.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Bennett was supposed to do for the Flames what Petterson is doing for the canucks, not Gaudette. Hopefully he can bounce back and reach 0.56 ppg again one day as a C, but it ain't looking good.

Also, I wasn't comparing Gaudette to Tkachuk and Gaudreau the way they are now, was comparing him to when they were prospects. Gaudette put up huge numbers before going pro, so him having some early success in the NHL is not really a huge surprise.

Gaudette didn't really achieve anywhere close to what Gaudreau did in University though.

He and Mangiapane are fairly alike. Similar in age, Mangiapane out-produced Gaudette last year by a handful, Gaudette out-produced Mangiapane this year by a handful.

It's worth noting that Gaudette starts way more in the offensive zone while Mangiapane starts more in the defensive zone. Neither guy is really counted on shorthanded, but Gaudette had many more powerplay opportunities, and 12 of his points came on the PP, while just 1 of Mangiapane's did.

They are the best comparables.

EDIT: Oh, and Gaudette sucks at faceoffs even more than Pettersson, so there.

[djsFlames]

As far as talents our rivals have managed to acquire

Canucks = fool's gold (honestly how bright can your 'hockey minds' be to consciously and intentionally pass up Tkachuk for Juolevi)
Oilers = loser's gold

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

To me getting “lucky” is having Tkachuk falling to #6. In the case for Petterson it was the scouts doing their job correctly. I believe at the time Peterson was a bit of a reach at #5 especially with Cody Glass still on the table. I hate the Canucks but they did great work realizing why Peterson should have been taken #5

Some teams, perhaps including the Cancuks, had Petterson #1. So I think they 100% deserve credit for the pick. During his draft year, his totals in the Swedish league suggested elite performance - and that league is arguably one of the best for predicting NHL performance.
I think I read somewhere that the Rangers also had him #1.

[Roof-Daddy]

Just forget Gaudette, he seems to be the sticking point and I wish I hadn't brought him up at all. I just wanted to demonstrate that they were pretty deep at C. The main point is that they have a 21 year old legit #1C, a 25 year old legit #2 C and a 20 year old legit #1 Dman to build around.

They have a collection of other pieces as well, but the those are the main parts to a successful rebuild in my eyes, and if you'd asked me 3 years ago I would have thought we had those pieces locked up with Bennett, Monahan and Hamilton. Unfortunately Bennett fell apart and Hamilton had to go. We still have nice young pieces and a good team, I just worry it's not strong enough where it really needs to be. We will see.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

As far as talents our rivals have managed to acquire

Canucks = fool's gold (honestly how bright can your 'hockey minds' be to consciously and intentionally pass up Tkachuk for Juolevi)
Oilers = loser's gold

Nah the oiler's have one lump of certified gold (McD) one lump of ??? (could be Pyrite; it's german.) and they buried those in 60 feet of pure unadultered cow ####.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Man, I think that's asking too much. Ryan is way too good a player to be a 13th forward. If he was 25 we'd be talking about him being a fixture in the top-nine. He plays like he's 25 -- is that not enough?

Ryan would easily be an everyday player on every Stanley Cup team of the last decade.

Smart player but you always want to improve your team.

Stanley Cup winning teams are lined up for a 33 old who has played 4 NHL seasons and 5 playoff games. Add in over a $3 million dollar cap hit.
Come on be realistic here.

[TheScorpion]

I personally don't care how old he is as long as he plays as effectively as he does. And yes, 20 teams tried to sign Ryan in 2018.

[Cobra]

Hopefully you will be our GM soon...we need some top 5 picks for a few years in a row
....LOL

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

30 point center?

Try 33 points in 59 games. That's a sad cherry pick, come on you're better than that.

Gaudette, 23yo, 2nd pro season, 12:23 TOI, 0.56 ppg
Bennett, 24yo, 5th pro season, 12:31 TOI, 0.23 ppg
Jankowski, 25yo, 3rd pro season, 11:06 TOI, 0.13 ppg

Those players are not even comparable.

Us Flames fans love Magiapane and Dube, and we should, but neither of them are playing C and neither of them put up 0.56ppg in their 2nd pro seasons either.

Gaudette put up 1.56ppg in Hockey East at 21 you guys, we don't have anything like him not named Gaudreau or Tkachuk, but he's a C this most important forward position.

I hate the Canucks, this isn't coming from some biased canuck fan.

Now do these guys 23 year old seasons for a fair comparison.

[Roof-Daddy]

Ryan is a good player, quite under rated. But New Era is not wrong. If you push him off the roster you've probably got one hell of a good team on your hands.

I really hope the Flames aren't in a position where they need to extend him after this contract though. To me it means they either didn't load the top 6 up enough and/or haven't graduated enough home grown guys to fill out the bottom of the roster. I mean, if he comes back on a league min contract as depth fine, but he really shouldn't have to be here on another $3 million ~ contract or IMO the Flames haven't done enough things right.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Now do these guys 23 year old seasons for a fair comparison.

.35ppg for Janko and .38 for Bennett. Neither guy has ever had an NHL season where they scored at a 0.56ppg clip.

[djsFlames]

Ryan might be the 4C every team wishes they had. He's great.

I just wish we had wingers that played as effectively, consistently in the bottom six.

[dammage79]

IMO, we need another Monahan level center and a top 6 RW. And another RHS D man. We have abundant LW depth. We have abundant LHS d men. Oh and a starting goalie for 4 years until Wolf and Parsons come along.

If you can push Backlund and Ryan down to defensive bottom 6 centers you're golden.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

IMO, we need another Monahan level center and a top 6 RW. And another RHS D man. We have abundant LW depth. We have abundant LHS d men. Oh and a starting goalie for 4 years until Wolf and Parsons come along.

If you can push Backlund and Ryan down to defensive bottom 6 centers you're golden.

Agreed. Not sure where you can a C like that other than a Cirelli offer sheet, and even that might not work, plus he's not yet at Monahan's level offensively.

Some think Lindholm to C would work, but I'm not so sure. Plus then you lose our only right shooting RW.