2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[djsFlames]

We probably have a few Gaudettes. I dont know why he's mentioned, kind of strange.

Still waiting on this Amazing! Incredible! Canucks cast to finish ahead of the Flames in the standings.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

No one thinks Lindholm could be our #1 center and be like a Bergeron 2-way type guy?

No. Lindholm is a good player, but he isn't a guy that "creates" a lot or drives the line. He's very much like Monahan and a support player to a line driver (Gaudreau).

Monahan at #2C...

Sure, that would be awesome. Unfortunately the Flames don't have that depth to do that. If they could pick up another promising center in a trade of Gaudreau, then maybe Monahan could shake out down the lineup.

I think we have the makings of a solid top 9 group with Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm, Tkachuk, Backlund, Mangiapane and Dube.

We're two bodies short. We need a center to push Backlund down the lineup and another quality forward, preferably a RW. The best solution to this conundrum is to sign a player then make a hockey trade to address the other needs. IMO the targets in free agency are Hall or Toffoli (different money expectations) with the expectation you are moving Gaudreau regardless of which UFA you get and filling the holes using that deal.

If we could add a couple guys to push Lucic and Ryan down to the 4th line we would be pretty deep at forward.

Find the bodies that push both out of the lineup. We need a few of our young players to step up and become something. Sadly the future for our prospects isn't looking too bright and we are hoping we can find some help on the scrap heap to get us by.

[TheScorpion]

You want Ryan pushed out of the lineup? Why? He's very effective.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Bigger better talent. I like Ryan, because of his flexibility. But if you can push a player like Ryan out of the lineup down the middle, you've done something good. If Ryan is your 13th or 14th forward you have a very deep team.

[TheScorpion]

Man, I think that's asking too much. Ryan is way too good a player to be a 13th forward. If he was 25 we'd be talking about him being a fixture in the top-nine. He plays like he's 25 -- is that not enough?

Ryan would easily be an everyday player on every Stanley Cup team of the last decade.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by New Era

Bigger better talent. I like Ryan, because of his flexibility. But if you can push a player like Ryan out of the lineup down the middle, you've done something good. If Ryan is your 13th or 14th forward you have a very deep team.

Does any team in the NhL have a 35 -40 point player as a 13-14th forward?

[PepsiFree]

It's also worth noting (given the whole "Benning is so great at drafting!" thing) that the two really aren't that far apart.

The Canucks have drafted in the top 10 five times. The Flames, twice. Overall, the Canucks have made more picks and higher picks than the Flames since 2014.

Flames draft picks have contributed 488 points to the Flames.
Canucks draft picks have contributed 501 points to the Canucks.

The numbers don't mean a lot, but the idea that Benning is a master drafter is blown out of proportion. It's hard to compare the two being that he's had many more kicks at the can, but Benning seems to adequately draft. He has some big hits, and some big misses.

[Erick Estrada]

The issue is that if you keep trading away your draft picks it doesn't really matter how well you hit on them because your prospect base is going to be smaller. Treliving has simply traded too many draft picks. The Hamonic trade was just terrible and set the organization back but hopefully he at least learned a lesson with that trade.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Bigger better talent. I like Ryan, because of his flexibility. But if you can push a player like Ryan out of the lineup down the middle, you've done something good. If Ryan is your 13th or 14th forward you have a very deep team.

Yes, let's push out arguably one of the hardest workers on the team. Good riddance.

Ryan makes this team better when he's in the lineup.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

We probably have a few Gaudettes. I dont know why he's mentioned, kind of strange.

Still waiting on this Amazing! Incredible! Canucks cast to finish ahead of the Flames in the standings.

We do? What 23 year old C do we have on the roster putting up 0.56 points per game as a sophomore pro with just 12 minutes of ice per game?

The closest thing we have is Mangiapane who we all love and are high on, but he's a winger, is in his 4th pro season and produced slightly less offense with slightly more ice time.

[TheScorpion]

Gaudette is a 23-year-old 30-point centre and he's apparently something the Flames don't have.

But everybody hates Mark Jankowski and Sam Bennett. I get the sense that if Gaudette were here instead of in Vancouver, we'd be less enamoured with his potential.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Gaudette is a 23-year-old 30-point centre and he's apparently something the Flames don't have.

But everybody hates Mark Jankowski and Sam Bennett. I get the sense that if Gaudette were here instead of in Vancouver, we'd be less enamoured with his potential.

30 point center?

Try 33 points in 59 games. That's a sad cherry pick, come on you're better than that.

Gaudette, 23yo, 2nd pro season, 12:23 TOI, 0.56 ppg
Bennett, 24yo, 5th pro season, 12:31 TOI, 0.23 ppg
Jankowski, 25yo, 3rd pro season, 11:06 TOI, 0.13 ppg

Those players are not even comparable.

Us Flames fans love Magiapane and Dube, and we should, but neither of them are playing C and neither of them put up 0.56ppg in their 2nd pro seasons either.

Gaudette put up 1.56ppg in Hockey East at 21 you guys, we don't have anything like him not named Gaudreau or Tkachuk, but he's a C this most important forward position.

I hate the Canucks, this isn't coming from some biased canuck fan.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Yes, let's push out arguably one of the hardest workers on the team. Good riddance.

Ryan makes this team better when he's in the lineup.

I don’t mind Ryan. But I really don’t see him as a huge loss if he gets moved out. Other than his faceoff ability. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a decent hockey player. If we need cap flexibility, he’s definitely one of the guys I’m looking to move.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

30 point center?

Try 33 points in 59 games. That's a sad cherry pick, come on you're better than that.

Gaudette, 23yo, 2nd pro season, 12:23 TOI, 0.56 ppg
Bennett, 24yo, 5th pro season, 12:31 TOI, 0.23 ppg
Jankowski, 25yo, 3rd pro season, 11:06 TOI, 0.13 ppg

Those players are not even comparable.

Us Flames fans love Magiapane and Dube, and we should, but neither of them are playing C and neither of them put up 0.56ppg in their 2nd pro seasons either.

Gaudette put up 1.56ppg in Hockey East at 21 you guys, we don't have anything like him not named Gaudreau or Tkachuk, but he's a C this most important forward position.

I hate the Canucks, this isn't coming from some biased canuck fan.

I somehow find that hard to believe from the mountain of canuck tires you're pumping.

Offensively the canucks have had a season similar to that of last year's Flames. A lot of career type years and guys producing above their likely career averages.

I don't mind admiring talent elsewhere, but posters like the few in here are trying to emphasize as much contrast as possible by belittling everything the Flames have at the same time I cant help but roll my eyes and stop reading.

Can we try to be a little more objective rather than paint the canucks as some dream? Before I puke in my mouth.

They were sucking bad when we left off. Like, BAD.

Let's not forget that.

[TheScorpion]

I guess Zach Aston-Reese is also an elite centre because he, too, put up huge numbers at Northeastern. ZAR is great defensively, sure, but he, like Gaudette, projects as a good middle-six centre.

Bennett had a nightmare year, it happens, but I don't see a ton that separates him from Gaudette. I think they both will peak as 40- or 50-point centres in their mid-late 20s. Do the Canucks have anyone who put up a goal-per-game in his D+1 year of junior after coming off shoulder surgery?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I guess Zach Aston-Reese is also an elite centre because he, too, put up huge numbers at Northeastern. ZAR is great defensively, sure, but he, like Gaudette, projects as a good middle-six centre.

Bennett had a nightmare year, it happens, but I don't see a ton that separates him from Gaudette. I think they both will peak as 40- or 50-point centres in their mid-late 20s. Do the Canucks have anyone who put up a goal-per-game in his D+1 year of junior after coming off shoulder surgery?

Stop with the straw man. I never said Gaudette is an elite C. He is a very good C prospect who is finding early success in the NHL.

Hopefully I'm wrong and he's plateau'd already lol

[TheScorpion]

You said the Flames don't have anything like him not named Gaudreau or Tkachuk. That, to me, suggests you think he's elite, but maybe I misinterpreted that.

Either way... I think Sam Bennett can do for the Flames what Gaudette can for the Canucks. Bennett just needs to stay healthy and find the right linemates.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I somehow find that hard to believe from the mountain of canuck tires you're pumping.

Offensively the canucks have had a season similar to that of last year's Flames. A lot of career type years and guys producing above their likely career averages.

I don't mind admiring talent elsewhere, but posters like the few in here are trying to emphasize as much contrast as possible by belittling everything the Flames have at the same time I cant help but roll my eyes and stop reading.

Can we try to be a little more objective rather than paint the canucks as some dream? Before I puke in my mouth.

They were sucking bad when we left off. Like, BAD.

Let's not forget that.

Well believe it. I've been here long enough and I've never pumped the canucks tires before.

That young core is built correctly though. Through the middle with an elite Dman to build the back end around, and they're all in the same age group. They could still #### it up however, and hopefully they find a way.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

You said the Flames don't have anything like him not named Gaudreau or Tkachuk. That, to me, suggests you think he's elite, but maybe I misinterpreted that.

Either way... I think Sam Bennett can do for the Flames what Gaudette can for the Canucks. Bennett just needs to stay healthy and find the right linemates.

Bennett was supposed to do for the Flames what Petterson is doing for the canucks, not Gaudette. Hopefully he can bounce back and reach 0.56 ppg again one day as a C, but it ain't looking good.

Also, I wasn't comparing Gaudette to Tkachuk and Gaudreau the way they are now, was comparing him to when they were prospects. Gaudette put up huge numbers before going pro, so him having some early success in the NHL is not really a huge surprise.

[dammage79]

Petterson and maybe Boeser are great for Vancouver. The rest is meh IMO. Cant see hughes being a constant.