06-30-2020, 03:39 PM
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#601
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Originally Posted by ernie
NY Times now reporting that US officials intercepted data showing large financial transfers from the Russian military to Taliban.
No comment from the administration which isn’t shocking as they’ve yet to really respond to the previous revelations.
Also Hilary was a shoe in until Comey. Anything could happen of course, but I don’t think Biden is that bad of a candidate. I mean IMO he’s a worse candidate than Clinton because quite honestly she was the best qualified candidate in ages but she had that one problem of being a woman and in particular a Clinton woman. And ya she’s not very nice.
Biden has respect from both sides of the house and that buys him a lot of leeway. Unlike Clinton it is really hard to frame him as a terrible person when no one thinks he is.
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Biden reminds me of Bob Dole, just totally no energy in any of his speeches(I simply think he's too old, he'd be 82 before he finishes his term if he wins). He's been completely out of the public light for months (covid or no covid). In a way he's certainly benefiting from Trump's disastrous handling of the pandemic and the race riots, but that's Trump beating Trump, not Biden winning new fans.
In the end voter apathy will most certainly play against the Democrats and we may see a repeat of 2016 if Americans against Trump don't go out and vote with conviction (because you can bet pro-Trump fanatics are voting).
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06-30-2020, 03:41 PM
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#602
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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
If Biden wins, he will have to agree not to run for re-election in 2024 for the Democrats to have any hope of actually keeping power long enough to start fixing the mess that Trump will leave
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Biden won’t make it to see 2024. He’s already 77 and the presidency is said to age you (some sources say 2 years for every 1 year you serve).
Not a chance he makes it mentally or physically the full 4 years.
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06-30-2020, 03:41 PM
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#603
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Looooooooooooooch
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Well there's still hope that Trump dies a horrible and painful death before November.
But then we won't get to see him behind bars. Tough decisions...
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06-30-2020, 03:42 PM
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#604
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by dino7c
100% Biden is more popular than Hillary
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For sure, and 538's most recent podcast gets into it a bit and his support among white people is better than Clinton too, probably Hispanics is the only group Biden doesn't do as well with compared to Clinton.
Clinton got more votes than any non-black presidential candidate in history, but that didn't matter for the EC.
While Biden's coalition looks stronger for the EC.
That was their take on it anyway.
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06-30-2020, 03:45 PM
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#605
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Originally Posted by Firebot
In the end voter apathy will most certainly play against the Democrats and we may see a repeat of 2016 if Americans against Trump don't go out and vote with conviction (because you can bet pro-Trump fanatics are voting).
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The thing is the cult alone can't win Trump anything, almost regardless of who the Dem nominee is. He won in 2016 because of the suburbs, and this time he is losing them bigly. Even retaining 100% of the cult vote, Trump is DOA without the suburbs backing him. I really don't see what Trump can do, Biden is a safe candidate to the suburb voters and that's why he's been around 50% for a month straight in the polls.
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06-30-2020, 03:53 PM
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Senate Republicans strip provisions from intelligence bill which required political campaigns to report any help they receive from foreign entities. Nothing to see here.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/polit...elp/index.html
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06-30-2020, 03:59 PM
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#607
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Originally Posted by ernie
NY Times now reporting that US officials intercepted data showing large financial transfers from the Russian military to Taliban.
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Gotta say I love the slow drip that the "failing New York Times" is releasing details around this issue. No doubt they have everything already and are letting the Trump administration paint themselves into a corner.
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06-30-2020, 04:17 PM
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#608
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Originally Posted by Iggy City
Well there's still hope that Trump dies a horrible and painful death before November.
But then we won't get to see him behind bars. Tough decisions...
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Not tough at all. If it was up to me I want to see him lose in a landslide and dragged out of the White House in handcuffs. A man can dream.
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06-30-2020, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Iggy City
Well there's still hope that Trump dies a horrible and painful death before November.
But then we won't get to see him behind bars. Tough decisions...
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Originally Posted by MoneyGuy
Not tough at all. If it was up to me I want to see him lose in a landslide and dragged out of the White House in handcuffs. A man can dream.
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But if he dies a painful death, it'll be for certain that he is gone, like forever! But is he is dragged out of the White House in handcuffs, there's still a chance he'd get off, however slim the chance is.
I really, really want him GONE, not just from the White House, but from earth! That's how much I hate him.
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06-30-2020, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
The thing is the cult alone can't win Trump anything, almost regardless of who the Dem nominee is. He won in 2016 because of the suburbs, and this time he is losing them bigly. Even retaining 100% of the cult vote, Trump is DOA without the suburbs backing him. I really don't see what Trump can do, Biden is a safe candidate to the suburb voters and that's why he's been around 50% for a month straight in the polls.
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Trump is way behind Biden with seniors in Florida. If this remains the case, game over.
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06-30-2020, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by midniteowl
But if he dies a painful death, it'll be for certain that he is gone, like forever!
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Extradite him to Iran and get the crane ready.
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06-30-2020, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Iggy City
Well there's still hope that Trump dies a horrible and painful death before November.
But then we won't get to see him behind bars. Tough decisions...
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Trump dying now is not a good thing... at all. Biden's selling point is that he isn't Trump. If Trump dies they rally around it and Biden handily loses.
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06-30-2020, 08:10 PM
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I know Canadians on CP don't think Biden is a great candidate but we don't matter.
Biden crushed everyone in the primaries (with votes) and polled far better than anyone else vs. Trump. There is no data that suggests there was a better candidate to beat Trump.
Bernie? He wouldn't be dominating the polls like this, not even close.
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06-30-2020, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Firebot
People are making the same mistakes as 2016, Clinton was supposed to be a shoe in and was at this time of the year, until she wasn't. Only votes matter in the end and the fact that Biden is a truly abysmal candidate will only hurt the Democrats as people are not voting for him.
This is why Trump will win...again. People for Trump are much more avid voters than those that oppose him as those who are against Trumps doesn't necesarily translate into votes. Most the ones that oppose him are the 18-29 age group and had the lowest voter turnout of any age group by far.
But hey they will upvote the crap out of half empty rallies on reddit, that must count for something.  |
You really don't understand how much people hated Hillary Clinton, do you? Watch a Trump speech from 2016, when he brought up Hillary the reaction was loud and intense. Nothing these white dudes hate more than a woman telling them what to do. If you watch him mocking Biden now, the intense hatred just isn't there.
Plenty of Republicans who weren't Trump fans voted for him because they hated Hillary that much. They do not have that fervor against Biden that they did against Hillary. This country is just as sexist as it is racist.
I'm not saying this is an easy win for Biden, make no mistake. But I think the hatred of Hillary really gets downplayed here. If she had the same credentials, the same history, etc, but she was a man? I would bet good money she'd have beat Trump for the EC and not just the popular vote.
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Originally Posted by troutman
Trump is way behind Biden with seniors in Florida. If this remains the case, game over.
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Well if Florida keeps going on the track they are with COVID, there might not be many seniors left by November to vote for Trump.
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06-30-2020, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Acey
Trump dying now is not a good thing... at all. Biden's selling point is that he isn't Trump. If Trump dies they rally around it and Biden handily loses.
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Vs. Pence? lol yeah right
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06-30-2020, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by wittynickname
This country is just as sexist as it is racist.
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Man, ain't that the truth, Ruth?
I was truly hopeful that America was ready for a female president after ushering in the first black president, or president of any minority racial status. Remember when Kennedy couldn't get elected because he was Catholic? Good times.
But then when I saw that America would rather have a full-on misogynist in the white house over a competent woman, I wept for gender equality because it was still so far behind race equality.
Since then, the #metoo movement has been good for leveling the playing field, even if they have gone a little over the line at times, but there's still a long way to go.
The fact that an elderly white man won the primary over several very qualified women says a lot. Nothing seriously against Biden, but I felt that there were a few ladies that ran better campaigns overall.
Outside of urban areas, America is still a patriarchy. I get the feeling that it will take a generation or two to change that.
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06-30-2020, 08:59 PM
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Location: California
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Vs. Pence? lol yeah right
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From the pew poll above
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About three-quarters of registered voters who support Trump (76%) say they view their presidential ballot primarily as a vote for the president. By comparison, only 33% of Biden voters view their vote more as an expression of support for him; about twice as many (67%) view it as vote against Trump.
Fewer voters (28%) say Biden would be a good or great president than say that about Trump as president. And compared with Trump, many more say Biden would be average; 29% say he would be an average president. However, 43% say Biden would be poor or terrible, which is 10 percentage points lower than the share expressing such negative views about Trump as president.
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Republican turn out might suffer without Trump but 2/3rds of Biden voters are voting against Trump rather than for Biden. That’s a concerning number in the what if Trump drops out scenarios
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06-30-2020, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GGG
From the pew poll above
Republican turn out might suffer without Trump but 2/3rds of Biden voters are voting against Trump rather than for Biden. That’s a concerning number in the what if Trump drops out scenarios
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I think a lot of that boils down to the primaries. Trump didn’t have primary competition while Biden of course did. The time between securing that nomination and the convention when it is formally accepted is bringing those that didn’t vote for you under the umbrella. They didn’t do a good job of that last time with Clinton with the primary shenanigans. This time I think they are doing a better job.
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06-30-2020, 09:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GGG
From the pew poll above
Republican turn out might suffer without Trump but 2/3rds of Biden voters are voting against Trump rather than for Biden. That’s a concerning number in the what if Trump drops out scenarios
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If Trump drops out then the GOP is going to be in utter chaos and look utterly chaotic as well, their supporters may not vote for Biden under those circumstances but they likely wont turn out for the GOP either, it would be a wipe out at this stage, its just too close to November now
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