Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[PsYcNeT]

Lmao

"They should move, he's going to an emergency situation!"

*cop runs over multiple people, creating an emergency situation*

How's that boot taste?

[OMG!WTF!]

I think if he were shot at I'd be ok with him bugging out like that. But short of actual shells hitting his car he was just being agro and crazy.

[Oling_Roachinen]

It's funny that the half a dozen or so videos that I've watched, I'm able to make out people not just chanting but talking and there's nothing at all that could be perceived as a shooting of any sort, but this police officer thought he heard it enough to risk a dozen or so of teen lives.

But even if there was a shooting, he still plowed through a bunch of kids who were just out on a planned march. The people the police were there to protect, at least that's what they'll tell us. So it's akin to a school police officer making a human shield out of toddlers during a school shooting. But of course if those toddler's didn't want to be shot at by a school shooter they shouldn't have been at a school, right schteve?

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

It's funny that the half a dozen or so videos that I've watched, I'm able to make out people not just chanting but talking and there's nothing at all that could be perceived as a shooting of any sort, but this police officer thought he heard it enough to risk a dozen or so of teen lives.

But even if there was a shooting, he still plowed through a bunch of kids who were just out on a planned march. The people the police were there to protect, at least that's what they'll tell us. So it's akin to a school police officer making a human shield out of toddlers during a school shooting. But of course if those toddler's didn't want to be shot at by a school shooter they shouldn't have been at a school, right schteve?

You are so very clever. That is EXACTLY the same thing. You win.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Just for context.

If a police car is on its way to an emergency situation. Siren blaring and lights flashing, and approaches a red light. It still must yield, if it does not and causes an accident due to a car going through the green light, the officer could be liable.

Officers still must drive defensively. It is not carte Blanche with the lights on.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

You are so very clever. That is EXACTLY the same thing. You win.

You're acting like driving through a bunch of teenagers marching and making a human toddler shield are much different. They aren't, or they shouldn't be.

The difference between the school police officer and this one, is that there probably would be a shooter before the school officer decided to make a shield of toddlers. This guy just decided to run over a bunch of teens probably because he knows there's jackasses who will defend him no matter what.

But of course now that you know that this man wasn't responding to save my mom, are you still going to pretend he was somehow justified trying to murder a bunch of innocent teenagers?

And of course no surprise he heard a gunshot and feared for his life. That's police code for "trying to murder minorities".

"It looked like a gun"
"He went for my gun"
"He reached into his pants"
"I heard a shot"

It's all a get out of jail free card that they know people will keep eating up.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

I think if he were shot at I'd be ok with him bugging out like that. But short of actual shells hitting his car he was just being agro and crazy.

Fair enough. Now, in that chaotic moment, with the noise, stress and everything else going on around him or her, then the back window blows out, what do you think is going through that cop's mind?

Now, that's taking for granted that the window did get "blown out" as was said in one of the articles or videos that was posted by my friend Roachinen. If the window wasn't blown out, that changes things for me.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

You're acting like driving through a bunch of teenagers marching and making a human toddler shield are much different. They aren't, or they shouldn't be.

Wow. I'm afraid you are too stupid and close-minded for me to argue with any further.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

Wow. I'm afraid you are too stupid for me to argue with any further.

Says the guy continuously bending over backwards to justify the police trying to murder a bunch of innocent minority teens.

Here's a thought, don't run over people. Just don't. It's crazy, it's radical, but I'm taking the fanatic position that protesting teenagers shouldn't be killed by police. So just don't run over people, it's simple enough that even the stupidest of people can grasp it, even me. Now, of course maybe we should exclude police from this because we know if an an an applicant for a police officer tests too well the department can ban them for being too smart.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Just for context.

If a police car is on its way to an emergency situation. Siren blaring and lights flashing, and approaches a red light. It still must yield, if it does not and causes an accident due to a car going through the green light, the officer could be liable.

Officers still must drive defensively. It is not carte Blanche with the lights on.

True, but to me there is a difference between some of the idiots you see on the road when emergency vehicles are approaching and are either oblivious to them or really don't know what to do and panic, and obviously purposely holding up and blocking an emergency vehicle.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

Fair enough. Now, in that chaotic moment, with the noise, stress and everything else going on around him or her, then the back window blows out, what do you think is going through that cop's mind?

Now, that's taking for granted that the window did get "blown out" as was said in one of the articles or videos that was posted by my friend Roachinen. If the window wasn't blown out, that changes things for me.

I'm pretty sure there weren't shots fired because if there were those protestors would have been scattering every way. The cop would have had a clear path to split. Those protestors weren't worried about shots fired.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

True, but to me there is a difference between some of the idiots you see on the road when emergency vehicles are approaching and are either oblivious to them or really don't know what to do and panic, and obviously purposely holding up and blocking an emergency vehicle.

An emergency vehicle that we've established was not on another call, who's purpose was to chaperone the protesters for safety reasons...

So let's just drop the pretense that this police officer was trying to save someone's mom, we've already determined that wasn't the case even if you are despicable and want to try and justify running over a parade of teenagers for that reason.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

True, but to me there is a difference between some of the idiots you see on the road when emergency vehicles are approaching and are either oblivious to them or really don't know what to do and panic, and obviously purposely holding up and blocking an emergency vehicle.

True, but blocking an emergency vehicle that isn't tending to an emergency, is no reason to hit people with your car.

The concept of proportional force needs to be used.

Standing in the street does not equal wacky wacky with a car.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

True, but blocking an emergency vehicle that isn't tending to an emergency, is no reason to hit people with your car.

The concept of proportional force needs to be used.

Standing in the street does not equal wacky wacky with a car.

Even if you want to defend aggressive bumps (like that clip from New York City), pinning it with that kid on the hood is one of the most insane things I’ve ever seen.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Even if you want to defend aggressive bumps (like that clip from New York City), pinning it with that kid on the hood is one of the most insane things I’ve ever seen.

I'm not trying to dig a hole here, but I still say that IF, with everything else going on, the chaos, the stress, the noise, that the rear window was "blown out", again, as was stated in one of the posted links earlier, that it is reasonable for the officer driving the vehicle to believe that they were under fire.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

I'm not trying to dig a hole here, but I still say that IF, with everything else going on, the chaos, the stress, the noise, that the rear window was "blown out", again, as was stated in one of the posted links earlier, that it is reasonable for the officer driving the vehicle to believe that they were under fire.

Why does that give him the right to try and murder other people?

First off, it's so obvious what the police are doing that I called it in my second post on the subject. "I feared for my life" is a carte blanche for police now, they know it, we know it, it's pretty much bull#### to the point you know any time any thing requires "context" you can bet the police will say it. Yeah, it prevent them from getting charged but that's the entire point of these protests, accountability.

But even if he did fear for his life. What gives him the right to drive over a bunch of innocent teens in a planned march? I'm not talking about the skateboarder who may have broken a window or the teen who leaned against the hood, I'm talking about the other dozen or so who were just innocently protesting. To you, their lives don't matter as much as the life of the officer...why?

You've been condoning and bending overbackwards to try and justify him running over innocent teens. It doesn't matter, it shouldn't matter. If there was shooting, he should be out their trying to SAVE those teenagers, not running them over. Imagine if the Vegas shooting had a police vehicle just run through the crowd trying to save themselves, the officer would be tarred and feathered and you for sure wouldn't be supporting him. So why in this situation?

If a smashed window is all it takes to spook him into mowing over peaceful protesters, it's time he gets a new job, he's not cut out to be a police officer. July 4th will be a blood bath for him as he shoots anyone near a firework. To the actual police and not our ideal version of them, all this officer did was set a new highscore on how many protesters he could run over and still have people defend him.

[schteve_d]

"Peaceful protesters". Peaceful protesters don't crawl on the hoods of emergency vehicles and smash police vehicle windows. Both sides have a narrative, and buzzwords.

I don't think that peaceful protesters would have been run over in this situation. Goofs overstepping their bounds and believing that laws don't apply to them did.

You make excellent, stressful decisions from the comfort of your couch Roachman.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

"Peaceful protesters". Peaceful protesters don't crawl on the hoods of emergency vehicles and smash police vehicle windows. Both sides have a narrative, and buzzwords.

I don't think that peaceful protesters would have been run over in this situation. Goofs overstepping their bounds and believing that laws don't apply to them did.

Ah, and there it is. Unable to separate the peaceful protesters from maybe one or two people who took it too far.

So because someone 20 feet away decided to lean against a police car, some other teen deserves to get ran over? This is now your belief?

But the second you group in all police as racist murderers, I'm sure you'll be quick to point out just one bad apple.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Ah, and there it is. Unable to separate the peaceful protesters from maybe one or two people who took it too far.

So because someone 20 feet away decided to lean against a police car, some other teen deserves to get ran over? This is now your belief?

But the second you group in all police as racist murderers, I'm sure you'll be quick to point out just one bad apple.

How does one lean on a police car from twenty feet away? If they're twenty feet away, they're likely all good here, unless of course they were shooting.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

How does one lean on a police car from twenty feet away?

They don't. But they still got ran over because someone else did...

That's pretty much my point.

The camera man in the one video you will watch because you refuse to acknowledge anything else was hit by the car, and he was no where near leaning on it...He was a peaceful protester by every definition of the word. And yet you think there was nothing wrong that he could have been killed by a police officer afraid of his own shadow.