[News] 2020 Draft lottery Phase 1 results - a placeholder team has the 1st overall pick

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by CGY12

I dont necessarily disagree about the defence. Both are putrid. One line or not, I'd rather have McDavid/Draisatle over Kane/Toews right now in a best of 5. I think the Oilers win that series rather easily in 4. They are done after that though. I want that to happen, I do not want them involved in the lottery.

Experience. Hawks will wear em down with experience. Seen it too many times.to.discount the tangible of experience.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Experience. Hawks will wear em down with experience. Seen it too many times.to.discount the tangible of experience.

Maybe...but usually all playoff series come down to goaltending.

Cant give either team a huge edge there based on what happened through the regular season.

With a 3 month break its even harder to ascribe an edge where players couldnt work out on ice nor in gyms...in really any series.

[dammage79]

I think that definitely favors the Hawks. They'll be on it fast while the rest of the Oilers scramble to get going. But, that's the fun of this hockey tournament if it happens, so many fine edges to every team that could get them far.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Experience. Hawks will wear em down with experience. Seen it too many times.to.discount the tangible of experience.

Not even trying to defend the Oilers, as I said I hope they beat the hawks and lose in round 1 of the playoffs, because I do NOT want them in the lottery.

The experience angle is baloney, in the last 4 seasons the Hawks lost in round 1 twice and missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons, where was the experience then? Experience is all relative, this is just a case of one team being better than the other. The hawks have been on the decline for a few years now. They simply aren't what they used to be, the NHL expanded the format to 24 teams vs 22 or 20 because the Hawks and Habs were 23 and 24, 2 large viewing markets.

[Erick Estrada]

I'm not at all comfortable with the thought of the Oilers having a 1/8 shot at Lafreniere. When you add their lottery luck it feels like it could be a 50/50 proposition. Even the drafts they haven't finished first they have been really close.

[Vinny01]

Thinking about the Sens trading 3 and 5 for 1 and oookong at some recent drafts it makes for an interesting discussion.

2010- Hall for Gudbranson and Niederitter. Hall all day
2011- Nuge for Huberdeau and Strome. Huberdeau is the best player and the 3 picks after Strome we’re Zibenijad, Schiefele, Couturier and alll are way better than Nuge
2012- Yakupov for Galchenyuk and Rielly. No explanation needed
2013- MacKinnon for Drouin and Lindholm. Still take Nate but what if it was Jones and Lindholm/Monahan? Likely still stick with MacKinnon
2014- Ekblad for Draisaitl and Dal Colle. Draisaitl is the best player
2015- McDavid for Strome and Hanifin. No doubt McDavid
2016- Matthews for Dubois and Juolevi. Put Tkachuk in there with Dubois and I take them over Matthews
2017- Hischier for Heiskenan and Petterson easily take the duo
2018- Dahlin for Kotkaniemi and Hayton. Take Dahlin
2019- Hughes for Dach and Turcotte. Too soon to say

When there is a consensus pick that is a tier above the rest it seems like the right call to take the player but in many cases if you nail picks 3 and 5 of a draft you will end up with a better situation.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm not at all comfortable with the thought of the Oilers having a 1/8 shot at Lafreniere. When you add their lottery luck it feels like it could be a 50/50 proposition. Even the drafts they haven't finished first they have been really close.

It is 50/50 if they are in the lottery, just like every team. Either they win it or they don't. ;-)

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

That vote tells me that many Flames fans don't believe this team is good enough to get very far so a win against the Jets would be about all the excitement they believe they would get out of it, where as a 1st overall talent like Lafreniere might be the nudge needed to push this team over the hump or at least give them the resources to do so.

I've disliked this team for a calendar year. There is something wrong. Missing.

I think they can and probably will beat the Jets, but I doubt they go very far. I'll be hoping I'm wrong and cheering for wins over losses.

But if they get knocked out against Winnipeg it's nice to know there is one more thing to hope for this year.

If the odds were say 1/4 I'd at least understand the thought that losing might be best because I think this team needs an off season change anyway, and getting the top pick would certainly qualify.

Would still be unlikely I'd be cheering for losses though.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah.

I'd argue that if the Flames were to beat Winnipeg, they'd have a less than a 1 in 8 chance to win the playoff series against their next opponent in what would be the actual 1st round.

No team ever has less than a 1 in 8 chance to win any series.

A huge underdog likely has at least a 30% chance of winning a series.


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

No team ever has less than a 1 in 8 chance to win any series.

A huge underdog likely has at least a 30% chance of winning a series.


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It's the Flames, math goes right out the window. Losing 1st round series is what they do.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Great insurance for the Flames' playoff start. Wow, Ottawa has an amazing opportunity to reshape their franchise with overall picks 3+5.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

Wow, Ottawa has an amazing opportunity to reshape their franchise with overall picks 3+5.

Imagine walking away from the draft with Byfield and Rossi, and then still having the Isles 1st round pick in the 15 to 20 range and FOUR 2nd round picks.

Then after picking SEVEN times in rounds 1 and 2, they will still have six more picks in the remaining rounds of the draft.

Sens fans must be dying waiting for the draft to happen. If the Sens don't trade any picks they will have 13 new prospects in their cupboards after the draft is complete.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Imagine walking away from the draft with Byfield and Rossi, and then still having the Isles 1st round pick in the 15 to 20 range and FOUR 2nd round picks.

Then after picking SEVEN times in rounds 1 and 2, they will still have six more picks in the remaining rounds of the draft.

Sens fans must be dying waiting for the draft to happen. If the Sens don't trade any picks they will have 13 new prospects in their cupboards after the draft is complete.

Have to think they'll move some.

There has to be a line where you bring too many players into your system and hurt asset value by not having the level of development or opportunity to move them all forward.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Have to think they'll move some.

There has to be a line where you bring too many players into your system and hurt asset value by not having the level of development or opportunity to move them all forward.

Maybe, but they'll never move all of them forward anyways. The cream would still rise to the top, they'd just have more bullets.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Have to think they'll move some.

There has to be a line where you bring too many players into your system and hurt asset value by not having the level of development or opportunity to move them all forward.

Pretty sure Dorrian already said they would be using some of their picks to trade for NHL ready players.

[SeanCharles]

I’m especially happy for Ottawa cause it hurt SJ in the process!

LA and ANA are still gonna get good players but can’t win em all.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm not at all comfortable with the thought of the Oilers having a 1/8 shot at Lafreniere. When you add their lottery luck it feels like it could be a 50/50 proposition. Even the drafts they haven't finished first they have been really close.

You just know it's going to happen. It's 2020 after all. If something bad can happen, it will happen.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You just know it's going to happen. It's 2020 after all. If something bad can happen, it will happen.

But thats normal bad.

2020 is the year of anomalies. Therefore the Flames, who've never picked top 3, might suddenly be a decent bet.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

But thats normal bad.

2020 is the year of anomalies. Therefore the Flames, who've never picked top 3, might suddenly be a decent bet.

I don't even want to think about what the flip side of that would be for the Oilers then.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's the Flames, math goes right out the window. Losing 1st round series is what they do.

They still haven’t lost 87.5% of first round matchups. Even with their dismal recent record.


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