2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Your Buffalo deal is an over pay and your Ottawa deal a large underpay. You’re the Ottawa Senators... you’re going to trade 2 of the top 5 players of a highly regarded draft class for Tkachuk and whatever the hell else?

Also think Gaudreau and Jankowski should command more than that return. Even though Jankowski adds potentially negative value to it.

Ya I know not realistic anyway. Dorian has made a few brutal trades like the Duchene deal. His worst move of all time though was Zibeninad and a 2nd for Brassard. The guy is proven to overpay when he gets his sights on a player and no doubt Matthew Tkachuk would be that type of player.

Jankowski can’t be adding negative value he is a RFA. Worst case he is not qualified.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Cannot recall where I read it but the Kings are in love with Stutzle

Im so jealous of Ottawa right now.

If the kings take stutzle the sens might walk away with Byfield and either Rossi or Perfetti.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Don't get me wrong, if the Flames won the 1st puck and took Byfield, I'd be pumped. Grabbing a top rated Center would be something not been done since Monahan. I don't even know why I wouldn't take Byfield over Lafrenierre honestly. I know Lafrenierre has Clutch vibes all around him.

Plus, it'd make a Johnny trade a very easy pill to swallow knowing you got the concensus #1 pick to replace him with.

Honestly I've spent so much time brushing up on players in the Flames realistic range I never really thought about the Byfields or Stutzles or Lafrenierres.

Totally, I just can't resist pumping Byfield's tires-I'm a fan, and I like the idea of that big, quick, #1C. At the end of the day, Lafreniere is still going #1.

[MrMike]

Who would have imagined a pick from 9-24 right now has so much potential and value.

[ForeverFlameFan]

If Ottawa said they'd give up 5th OA for Monahan would you do it?

Just curious on what you guys think.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If Ottawa said they'd give up 5th OA for Monahan would you do it?

Just curious on what you guys think.

If Marco Rossi was still on the board, then yes, I would do this in a heartbeat.

[bluejays]

Is Lafreniere a generational talent? It seems he's a slight tier below McDavid and Crosby, but more along the lines of MacKinnon maybe? I'd deal anyone on the team straight up for him if that's the case.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by fleury

Is Lafreniere a generational talent? It seems he's a slight tier below McDavid and Crosby, but more along the lines of MacKinnon maybe? I'd deal anyone on the team straight up for him if that's the case.

He reminds me of Eichel, but I’m not going to put any cash on that comparison.

[Poe969]

It just sucks that he's a winger, and he's not even a RW. This team needs top tier centers, soon.

[home_sweet_dome]

Originally Posted by MrMike

If we win number one overall, would you trade it to Ottawa for number 5 and their Tkachuk?

Forget Tkachuk but i would certainly entertain #3 and #5. Walking away with either Byfield/Stuetzle and Rossi could set us up at C for the next decade.

But of course we all know the Flames wouldn't win the lottery anyways so back to reality.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If Ottawa said they'd give up 5th OA for Monahan would you do it?

Just curious on what you guys think.

Hell no.

[dammage79]

Watched about as many videos I could on Lafreniere and Byfield and you know what stood out in the Lafreniere videos? Little Z making things happen for Laf as much as Laf made thing happen for little Z. That gave me a little excitement as we have that guy that helped Lafrenieres draft stock.

Byfield is crazy good. Dominant in the making everything happen through him department. He makes his team better.

I'll say Lafreniere is an Elite benefactor of finishing off plays that the team created , and is explosive in odd man rushes where as Byfield is the generator of his team. And is a Center.

So I'll retract my statement earlier in this thread, if the Flames get 1, take Byfield and call it a day. Or, trade down to 3 and take him if L.A is dead set on Stutzle.

[djsFlames]

If you win the lottery, trade down to 2 or 3 for an asset and take a C.

LW and LD are the last positions we need to bolster. Even though I really like Laf and don't think he is a huge benefactor at all. Dude's playmaking skill may be better than Gaudreau's.

Byfield or Rossi will do for us.

[Roof-Daddy]

Hypothetical:

1. Flames win 1st overall
2. Flames scouts are very sure Kings will take Stutzle
3. Sens offer 3rd and 5th OA for 1st OA

Do you take that?
Is that an overpay on the Sens part?

Imagine adding Byfield and Rossi to the prospect pool.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hypothetical:

1. Flames win 1st overall
2. Flames scouts are very sure Kings will take Stutzle
3. Sens offer 3rd and 5th OA for 1st OA

Do you take that?
Is that an overpay on the Sens part?

Imagine adding Byfield and Rossi to the prospect pool.

I think I would take that.

I wonder if the Sens would consider?

1st+Bennett
For
3rd+Tkachuk

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hypothetical:

1. Flames win 1st overall
2. Flames scouts are very sure Kings will take Stutzle
3. Sens offer 3rd and 5th OA for 1st OA

Do you take that?
Is that an overpay on the Sens part?

Imagine adding Byfield and Rossi to the prospect pool.

Definitely an overpay. I think something more like 1 for 3 and a 2nd. Byfield and an extra pick in the 2nd is a good thing.

Then I think you can automatically slot Byfield into #3 C and shelter his.minutes while Monny and Backs do the heavy lifting for a season. Then move Byfield up the depth chart as development progresses. There's a lot to still covet in the 2nd round. Lots of high risk/reward players like Nybek and Peterson and Foerster and a bunch of D men. Imagine getting a Wallinder type D man at 33. If the Flames win the pick, picking top 3 is essential Laf, Byfield and Stutzle all have top line upside. Its a win win. No need to over price a gift horse.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Definitely an overpay. I think something more like 1 for 3 and a 2nd. Byfield and an extra pick in the 2nd is a good thing.

Then I think you can automatically slot Byfield into #3 C and shelter his.minutes while Monny and Backs do the heavy lifting for a season. Then move Byfield up the depth chart as development progresses. There's a lot to still covet in the 2nd round. Lots of high risk/reward players like Nybek and Peterson and Foerster and a bunch of D men. Imagine getting a Wallinder type D man at 33. If the Flames win the pick, picking top 3 is essential Laf, Byfield and Stutzle all have top line upside. Its a win win. No need to over price a gift horse.

I don't think a 2nd is enough, but maybe:

1OA for 3OA and NYI 1st (15-18th OA I think?)

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I don't think a 2nd is enough, but maybe:

1OA for 3OA and NYI 1st (15-18th OA I think?)

We would have to add maybe a 4th or a future pick. If a move up trade happens its usually miniscule pieces balancing out fair value betwixt the two teams. Mid 1st round trade ups traditionally involve 3rds or 4ths. And I'm not so certain that a 2 spot jump in this draft at the top warrants a massive overpay unless Ottawa is so desperate for the top guy they offer it. Then how could you say no. Don't think Ottawa really cares though, they need Centers as bad as anyone.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by dammage79

We would have to add maybe a 4th or a future pick. If a move up trade happens its usually miniscule pieces balancing out fair value betwixt the two teams. Mid 1st round trade ups traditionally involve 3rds or 4ths. And I'm not so certain that a 2 spot jump in this draft at the top warrants a massive overpay unless Ottawa is so desperate for the top guy they offer it. Then how could you say no. Don't think Ottawa really cares though, they need Centers as bad as anyone.

A 2nd round pick is usually what's added when you're trading up a few spots in the mid-late first round when every team has players rated at different spots.

When you're trading up to get the consensus #1 overall pick who's viewed in the top half of first overall picks over the last decade, a 2nd isn't nearly enough to jump up two spots.

It would take another first round pick minimum

[Harry Lime]

I know that it's all a dream scenario, but Montreal has been talking (leaked) publicly about a big offer for whomever lands #1.