06-17-2020, 10:55 AM
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#3041
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Craig McTavish' Merkin
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
The amount of times this has happened to me at McDonalds is enough that I was nodding along thinking "damn, I feel you, ####ing annoying, but where's the connection to the tweet?" and then when she went off about being too nervous to eat at McDonalds...
Lady, it's McDonalds. Getting your order wrong or having it bizarrely delayed for no understandable reason isn't because you're a cop, it's because you're a person and it's McDonalds.
Like, she's shocked by a loss of privilege so much that it scared the #### out of her. She went from having to actually change how she orders at McDonalds because SO MANY PEOPLE BUY HER FOOD FOR HER, to just... waiting... like everyone else... and she's not sure she can take it.
Hilarious Karen, hilarious.
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She might have PTSD. It would explain why she’s having an anxiety attack over nothing. I think it’s more likely that she’s showing her privilege but I’m not going to judge her without knowing for sure.
Edit: if it is PTSD she shouldn’t be a cop unless she gets some help.
Last edited by DownInFlames; 06-17-2020 at 10:57 AM.
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06-17-2020, 10:58 AM
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#3042
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
Those stories are all very familiar to every white person.
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####, really? Not to me. She sounds terrible. You're telling us that you've assaulted someone in front of a police officer, been caught driving drunk / doing illegal drugs multiple times, and hit someone with a blunt object as hard as you could at a party? Yikes.
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06-17-2020, 10:59 AM
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#3043
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Weitz
You're not black if your mother is black?
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I think the issue with Markle, Iginla, etc.. is them being recognized as if you're not "white", then you're "black". When they are just as much white as they are black.
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06-17-2020, 11:21 AM
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#3044
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Toledo OH
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
####, really? Not to me. She sounds terrible. You're telling us that you've assaulted someone in front of a police officer, been caught driving drunk / doing illegal drugs multiple times, and hit someone with a blunt object as hard as you could at a party? Yikes.
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Exactly. Maybe the bigger issue is that white people need to be held to account more for being pieces of $*7t when they are teenagers and young adults rather than broadly extending that same privilege to everyone else. Krista asks white people to think of the 'crimes' they have committed and gotten away with as if this is a common shared experience among white people. I don't think it is at all.
Yeah, if you drive drunk, steal thousands of dollars worth of merchandise, deal drugs, etc, you deserve a criminal record and all the jail-time, fines, and/or stigma those things entail for committing those crimes.
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06-17-2020, 11:24 AM
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#3045
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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PepsiCo, which own Quaker Oats, which owns the Aunt Jemima brand has announced that they will be retiring the brand "to make progress toward racial equality".
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/busin...nge/index.html
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Quaker Oats is retiring the more than 130-year-old Aunt Jemima brand and logo, acknowledging its origins are based on a racial stereotype.
"As we work to make progress toward racial equality through several initiatives, we also must take a hard look at our portfolio of brands and ensure they reflect our values and meet our consumers' expectations," the Pepsi-owned company said in a statement provided to CNN Business.
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Mars, which owns Uncle Ben's is also looking to revamp its branding.
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06-17-2020, 11:27 AM
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#3046
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Franchise Player
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Are we at that point where the topic of removing racist sports team names can also be re-visited? Former local broadcaster, Barry Strader, has re-ignited some of this conversation at least at the local level.
Redskins, Blackhawks, Indians, Braves, etc.
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06-17-2020, 11:31 AM
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#3047
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Are we at that point where the topic of removing racist sports team names can also be re-visited? Former local broadcaster, Barry Strader, has re-ignited some of this conversation at least at the local level.
Redskins, Blackhawks, Indians, Braves, etc.
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Don't forget Eskimos!
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06-17-2020, 11:32 AM
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#3048
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: YSJ (1979-2002) -> YYC (2002-2022) -> YVR (2022-present)
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The real question people should be asking isn't "Why is Quaker Oats retiring the Aunt Jemima brand now?" but rather "Why didn't Quaker Oats retire the Aunt Jemima brand decades ago?"
For anyone who isn't familiar with the backstory, "Old Aunt Jemima" was a song that was sung at racist minstrel shows in the late 19th century. The Aunt Jemima character was performed by a male actor dressed in drag and wearing blackface. The lyrics included the line "The monkey dressed in soldier clothes, Old Aunt Jemima, oh! oh! oh!" The word monkey in that lyric is not referring to a simian. Yeah.
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06-17-2020, 11:33 AM
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#3049
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Franchise Player
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The thing is the Blackhawks are actually named after an infantry division; it's their logo that's the problem. Unfortunately there seems to be a consensus that their uniform is among the best in the league (personally I've never understood the hype), so I really doubt that's going to work out.
I remember at some point there was a concept logo going around that was an actual bird and everyone just shat on it.
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06-17-2020, 11:40 AM
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#3050
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: YSJ (1979-2002) -> YYC (2002-2022) -> YVR (2022-present)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
The thing is the Blackhawks are actually named after an infantry division.
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That's splitting hairs. The infantry division was named after Black Hawk, a native American warrior from the Sauk tribe who fought on the side of the British against the US during the war of 1812.
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06-17-2020, 11:44 AM
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#3051
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Franchise Player
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Right, but the point is, if they were to change their uniform to a military-themed logo and colour scheme, that would resolve the issue. But they won't, because their uniform is popular and realistically has a ton of brand equity, and NHL owners like money.
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06-17-2020, 11:47 AM
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#3052
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Are we at that point where the topic of removing racist sports team names can also be re-visited? Former local broadcaster, Barry Strader, has re-ignited some of this conversation at least at the local level.
Redskins, Blackhawks, Indians, Braves, etc.
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All 3 but the Blackhawls can change, as explained a couple posts up. Not that it matters what we think, we'd have to see what Native Americans think.
I don't.recall a massive push for the Blackhawks to change names, but the rest for sure, they're outwardly more racist in context.
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06-17-2020, 11:49 AM
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#3053
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Acey
Not the important takeaway, but "Never burns" for dark skin they say. Good lord. 
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I was ignorant here Acey, until minutes ago. Never considered asking any black pals about sunscreen. I assumed, it just wasn’t an issue.
Previous to this post, did my own research. Less likely, but can still happen, AND the concern for melanoma is just as serious.
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06-17-2020, 11:56 AM
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#3054
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Participant 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Right, but the point is, if they were to change their uniform to a military-themed logo and colour scheme, that would resolve the issue. But they won't, because their uniform is popular and realistically has a ton of brand equity, and NHL owners like money.
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Exactly. I think questions like "why don't they change the logo" or "why don't the Redskins change their name" or "why didn't PepsiCo abandon the racist Aunt Jemima branding earlier" all have the same fairly obvious answer: profit and risk.
Brands only really make sweeping changes to profitable brands when there is a substantial risk to their profits. As much as some of us would like to believe that we're all just people in this together and doing what's right for humanity, corporations make money. That's what they do. The decisions they make that seem like they have social good affiliations are generally made to lower risk and make more money (or curb the loss of profit).
Doing "what's right" is nice in theory, but these guys are in the business of making money, and their decisions will always be based on that first and foremost.
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06-17-2020, 11:56 AM
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#3055
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Truculent!
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
####, really? Not to me. She sounds terrible. You're telling us that you've assaulted someone in front of a police officer, been caught driving drunk / doing illegal drugs multiple times, and hit someone with a blunt object as hard as you could at a party? Yikes.
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Hell yeah. Not these exact stories, but things that are similar or worse.
Growing up as a white kid in small town Northern Alberta and Saskatchewan carries the whitest of privileges.
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06-17-2020, 11:57 AM
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#3056
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Right, but the point is, if they were to change their uniform to a military-themed logo and colour scheme, that would resolve the issue. But they won't, because their uniform is popular and realistically has a ton of brand equity, and NHL owners like money.
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Keeping the colour scheme after a logo change would be trivial too.
Unfortunately the Blackhaws logo is considered an untouchable classic... plus it's not super obviously racist.
If I was to get back on this horse, I would focus my energy on the Redskins. Even though it would be a tougher fight because that team would need a complete rebranding starting with the name.
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06-17-2020, 12:02 PM
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#3057
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Marseilles Of The Prairies
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I've definitely never assaulted someone, but yeah, youth is filled with trespassing, drinking/drugs, firearms misuse, property damage, etc.
I gotta question what kind of teen years were had that didn't include at least some of those things. I was a nerd too ffs.
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06-17-2020, 12:06 PM
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#3058
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Mayor of McKenzie Towne
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboy89
Exactly. Maybe the bigger issue is that white people need to be held to account more for being pieces of $*7t when they are teenagers and young adults rather than broadly extending that same privilege to everyone else. Krista asks white people to think of the 'crimes' they have committed and gotten away with as if this is a common shared experience among white people. I don't think it is at all.
Yeah, if you drive drunk, steal thousands of dollars worth of merchandise, deal drugs, etc, you deserve a criminal record and all the jail-time, fines, and/or stigma those things entail for committing those crimes.
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Quite the opposite in my opinion... How would society be better served if instead of making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year (and paying taxes on those earnings) for the past 15 years she instead has a criminal record and a minimum wage job?
Perhaps what should be learned is that most of these 'deviants' guilty of trivial offenses could, with proper support, become productive members of society. While they may not all become famous show-runners in Hollywood there are many that could be entirely satisfactory professionals and tradespeople who contribute to society in positive ways.
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06-17-2020, 12:08 PM
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#3059
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itse
Keeping the colour scheme after a logo change would be trivial too.
Unfortunately the Blackhaws logo is considered an untouchable classic... plus it's not super obviously racist.
If I was to get back on this horse, I would focus my energy on the Redskins. Even though it would be a tougher fight because that team would need a complete rebranding starting with the name.
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It’s at least a respectable logo. The image is portraying a strong and proud demeanour.
The Indians logo is cartoony and ridiculous. Not the mention the name.
The Redskins name I always thought was bad... until I watched an interview with indigenous people and they explained that a “redskin” was a scalp, proof of killing a native. Not at all what I thought that meant, and it was already bad. I can’t believe they are named that.
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06-17-2020, 12:11 PM
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#3060
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
The thing is the Blackhawks are actually named after an infantry division; it's their logo that's the problem. Unfortunately there seems to be a consensus that their uniform is among the best in the league (personally I've never understood the hype), so I really doubt that's going to work out.
I remember at some point there was a concept logo going around that was an actual bird and everyone just shat on it.
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I do think the Hawks jerseys (although not necessarily the log) are pretty sharp
when I was at a Hawks game in 2013,, Iggy's last game with the Flames as it turns out, I did buy a t-shirt with more or less this logo:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86th_I...(United_States)
on it. I think its kinda nice (and is not over the top military themed either) and yet of course when I wear it no-one would have any idea its a Blackhawks shirt (I don't think).
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