Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I absolutely do not agree with this, in fact I think it is disgusting.

It might sound disgusting if you think Cecil or anyone else is actually advocating for 1000 dead cops, but that's missing the point of the statement.

What is disgusting about innocent lives being protected at all costs? Agree or disagree, sure, but what is disgusting about it?

The job of the police is to protect people. Sometimes, that means killing people who are about to kill them or kill another innocent person. I think we can all accept that. Sometimes that also means letting someone go in the moment that poses no lethal threat. Sometimes, and we should all hope it's extremely rare, that means a cop will die when the lethal threat comes seemingly out of nowhere. But that should never mean cops pre-emptively kill to avoid even the possibility of that situation. You disagree?

[afc wimbledon]

I think the problem is that for the most part the Police in the US have been immune from prosecution no matter what level of force they have used, if cops went to jail, like the rest of us, for killing people then they, like the rest of us, would be careful not to kill people.

Now if a policeman was really in fear of his life the risk of going to jail wouldn't matter.

It's ironic really that the reason we employ the police is to enforce a system of punishment we rely on to deter people from committing violent acts but that we then don't apply to the police and are surprised when they commit violent acts.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It might sound disgusting if you think Cecil or anyone else is actually advocating for 1000 dead cops, but that's missing the point of the statement.

What is disgusting about innocent lives being protected at all costs? Agree or disagree, sure, but what is disgusting about it?

The job of the police is to protect people. Sometimes, that means killing people who are about to kill them or kill another innocent person. I think we can all accept that. Sometimes that also means letting someone go in the moment that poses no lethal threat. Sometimes, and we should all hope it's extremely rare, that means a cop will die when the lethal threat comes seemingly out of nowhere. But that should never mean cops pre-emptively kill to avoid even the possibility of that situation. You disagree?

Very well said, I think a few posters were caught up in the "I'd rather 1000 cops" dead part of the point, rather the idea behind it.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Hearing about this case reminds me of when I scold my children for hitting each other. I sit the 5 year old down and explain to him why we don't hit each other and why it's a bad thing to do. He says he understands and we hug it out, and they go back to playing.

Then 5 minutes later when there's more screaming and I catch him hitting again, I often say, "Didn't we just finish talking about this?! What did I say?!"

That's America's police departments at the moment. Literally a 5 year old that can't change their habits despite saying "I understand".




But also, black people...we've talked about this from your end too. Don't give them a reason to shoot you either. It doesn't excuse their behavior in any way, but you know what's likely to happen when you resist arrest and attempt to fire something at an officer. It's like getting mad at an alligator for biting your hand when you stick it in their mouth.

but also black people. Oof. I mean oof on the whole paragraph, but a particular oof on how to not start a sentence while speaking down to a race on how to live in act in an unjust society.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

What does everyone else think of this? Honestly interested in the reaction to this view, particularly compared to some other posts in here.

I think we need to define excessive force before I can weigh in.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Do you realize how many different police interactions occur every day with no incidents? Statistically speaking if you comply with police, you are safe 99% of the time, it is not “a role of the dice”.

Should you be safe 100% of the time? Absolutely. Sadly the murder of George Floyd has proven otherwise.

When you are pulled over for no reason other than driving while black, then have your face slammed into the hood and a gun pointed at your head while the cop repeatedly calls you a ######, I will listen to what you have to say on the subject. Until then, I will trust my experience with police, which means you are never safe if you are black (or bi-racial in my case).

[GGG]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Agree in part. But the selective enforcement argument doesn't statistically hold water.

I agree that the US should be heavily reforming Police to have fewer interactions over most things, and, get a lot more training to de-escalate and reduce lethal force.

But the real heavy lifting is diverting tax dollars from white schools to black schools, and communities.

I’d be interested in reading the studies that suggest that differential enforcement as a cause of an increase in police violence against minorities statically doesn’t hold water. From anything I have read the data just doesn’t exist to make a conclusion.

Fixing class mobility certainly would help address a lot of systemic racism issues. I agree education would be a good place to start.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by GGG

I’d be interested in reading the studies that suggest that differential enforcement as a cause of an increase in police violence against minorities statically doesn’t hold water. From anything I have read the data just doesn’t exist to make a conclusion.

Fixing class mobility certainly would help address a lot of systemic racism issues. I agree education would be a good place to start.

The way funding of public schools works in the US has to be one of the simplest examples of systemic racism. Schools are funded based on taxes paid in that district, meaning rich neighborhoods get better schooling, while poor (read: Black, Spanish) neighborhoods get worse schooling. One school will have tablets for all the students, the other they are forced to share textbooks.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

What’s more interesting, and hypocritical, to me is people that agree with the first two but are disgusted with the 3rd one.

I thought you were going somewhere entirely different after I read the first two. I thought you were about to say you'd prefer 1000 suspects go free rather than see one use of unnecessary force. Even that is at least a bit debatable - the 1000 suspected criminals, you would think, would cause more harm and death than the loss of one life. But that's a moot point, because instead, you jumped to something several degrees more extreme.

There is just no way to read your post without coming to the conclusion that you see the lives of police officers as being of far, far less value than not just the lives of the general public, but the lives of suspected criminals they're seeking to apprehend.

It's interesting because there an awful lot of people attempting to either defend your post or reinterpret it in a manner that is digestible for them, all the while engaging in precisely the opposite exercise with Cali Flames Fan's post. And say what you like about him blaming the victim, he wasn't casually dehumanizing people, as you just did.

Ironically, you might have just served yourself up as the first example in this thread of someone who actually deserves to get punched in the face by a policeman.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Ironically, you might have just served yourself up as the first example in this thread of someone who actually deserves to get punched in the face by a policeman.

Jesus Christ.

[Flamenspiel]

Defunding or eliminating the police would result in people buying illegal guns and shooting each other. More people will die, of all colors. It’s an absurd idea and will not happen, although I could see our property taxes going down.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Ironically, you might have just served yourself up as the first example in this thread of someone who actually deserves to get punched in the face by a policeman.

Flames Gimp would like to have a word with you

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Defunding or eliminating the police would result in people buying illegal guns and shooting each other. More people will die, of all colors. It’s an absurd idea and will not happen, although I could see our property taxes going down.

"defund the police" is a terrible slogan for this movement. No one's want the anarchy that would ensue with having no police.

The slogan should be "reform the police".

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Defunding or eliminating the police would result in people buying illegal guns and shooting each other. More people will die, of all colors. It’s an absurd idea and will not happen, although I could see our property taxes going down.

For the umpteenth time, nobody is proposing completely eliminating the police and descending into lawlessness and anarchy. "Defunding the police" (which admittedly is a bit of a poor slogan because it erroneously leads people to believe it means something it doesn't) is a proposal to divert a portion of police budgets to community and social services. The idea is that you invest in areas that pro-actively prevent crime instead of re-actively respond to crime. As a by-product, this would reduce the number of citizen encounters with police officers which too frequently escalate to violence, particularly when there are people of colour involved. "Defund the police" doesn't mean slash the police budget to $0 and nobody answers the call when you dial 911.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Defunding or eliminating the police would result in people buying illegal guns and shooting each other. More people will die, of all colors. It’s an absurd idea and will not happen, although I could see our property taxes going down.

In as case of extreme defending, perhaps. But if it is done like LA plans to do (which is all people are asking for), then it will not result in that. In LA, the plan is to shift $150m from the 2022 LAPD budget to fund social programs in poor neighborhoods. That $150m is the amount the LAPD budget was going to increase.

[MarchHare]

Hmmm, why is former Calgary Flame Brandon Prust trending on Twitter?

Oh.

https://twitter.com/BrandonPrust8/st...99764005167104

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Hmmm, why is former Calgary Flame Brandon Prust trending on Twitter?

Oh.

https://twitter.com/BrandonPrust8/st...99764005167104

Based on this thread that seems to be the sentence, depending on your skin colour.

[jayswin]

Yikes, Brandon.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

"defund the police" is a terrible slogan for this movement. No one's want the anarchy that would ensue with having no police.

The slogan should be "reform the police".

They've been trying to do that for the last century, it doesn't work. You can't reform a system that is inherently corrupt, it needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yikes, Brandon.

Yikes is right. What an idiotic comment