I see your condoning rioting and looting and raise you a few more innocent (black) deaths.
All about the long game.
I see your 'few more innocent lives' and raise you anywhere from 200 to 1000 Americans a year killed by police, 1/3rd of all black men incarcerated at some time in their life and thus losing their vote etc etc
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Trump has set race relations in the US back 50 years.
I dont think that's true. He has really deepened the trenches of the ideological divide. I think far more people are far more willing to lie to themselves in support of there own biases. And he has a direct link to that. But these protests are incredibly diverse, and the race agitators are losing the narrative.
Saying we can riot our way out of innocent people being profiled and killed just makes me think of this Simpsons clip:
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They really should be rioting to abolish the Private Prison system as well, that's a huge part of this.
Its the entire system.
Major crime in the US occurs at lower rate now than it did in 1980 (yes - you were more likely to get murdered as a kid than you are now). Yet we've spent the last 20 years turning the police into a new branch of the military.
Major crime in the US occurs at lower rate now than it did in 1980 (yes - you were more likely to get murdered as a kid than you are now). Yet we've spent the last 20 years turning the police into a new branch of the military.
Way lower.
But the lesson there is (or should be), "things can actually be much worse". So I'm not sure dismantling entire police systems is a particularly good idea to just jump into. Society-altering events, as catalysts for new policy, tend to produce really bad policy. 9/11 being the chief example.
But more to the point, I'm pretty concerned that pursuing this "defund the police" thing is just going to hand Trump the election. That's a terrible headline to see in the Star Tribune if you're a Democrat trying to get elected in the midwest.
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Trump has set race relations in the US back 50 years.
Trump is an idiot fanning the flames, but he didn't set anything back, he just helped bring the hate into the light that has been bubbling since the civil war.
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Which also adds to Corsi's point about about this possibly benefitting Trump - as Nixon ran as Mr. Law and Order and won the election that year. These protests are much more popular and diverse this time however so debatable that occurs again. So far its hurt Trump more than anything as its hard to claim to be Law and Order while this is all happening while you are the president. Much easier to be in the Nixon position outside the office and declare you are going to make a change.
This whole discussion about whether we are for or against rioting and looting is hilarious. It is irrelevant what anyone feels about it because it isn't like we are talking about policy making or politics. Its laughable. Condemn the rioters or support them. It makes no difference. The situation is out of control.
It is interesting that the looting seems to draw the biggest response. We do value property above everything in our society so I guess it stands to reason.
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from that clip, how can we know it's for no reason? we have no idea what lead up to it.
I think it's fair to say they had a reason.
The question is, did they have a good reason?
I can't think of a good reason they would have had to pepper spray from a police vehicle as they drove by.
If they had a valid reason, why didn't they stop and arrest? Pepper spray is supposed to subdue a non-compliant suspect, not to spray and run.
Ultimately the police are supposed to be held to a higher standard. That's the counter balance for their ability to use force. When you take away the accountability and higher standard, then they're no longer a police force but an occupying one.
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I can't think of a good reason they would have had to pepper spray from a police vehicle as they drove by.
If they had a valid reason, why didn't they stop and arrest? Pepper spray is supposed to subdue a non-compliant suspect, not to spray and run.
Ultimately the police are supposed to be held to a higher standard. That's the counter balance for their ability to use force. When you take away the accountability and higher standard, then they're no longer a police force but an occupying one.
What if they were throwing rocks at cruisers as they were going by? what if they were being violent and refusing to disperse earlier? who knows.
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Can you come up with a scenario where those actions are the best course of action to accomplishing whatever objective you think they were trying to?
What is the scenario where this would have been the best practice.
The only thing would be if they thought they were taking fire from that general area but werent wanting to return it....otherwise....looks pretty damning.
When the democratic process is loaded against you and you don't even allow peaceful protests and civil disobedience, what are people left with but rioting and looting?
If you want the government to hurt enough to change, hit them in the pocket book.
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The only thing would be if they thought they were taking fire from that general area but werent wanting to return it....otherwise....looks pretty damning.
In that case you wouldn’t have some of the convoy retreat and not proceed through and area with potentially open fire?
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When the democratic process is loaded against you and you don't even allow peaceful protests and civil disobedience, what are people left with but rioting and looting?
If you want the government to hurt enough to change, hit them in the pocket book.
Rioting and looting doesnt hurt the government one bit financially.
It hurts those that lose their jobs when building are burned down, it hurts those that rely on their community businesses becuae they arent overly mobile and now cant get groceries and medication when needed.
It truly helps nor solves a damn thing and only causes longer term harm...usually to those that have seen a lot of that already.
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