Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

This may have Canada divided....:

Trudeau takes a knee at anti-racism protest on Parliament Hill
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...hill-1.5600803

Interesting, Trudeau just went down and knelt amongst the protestors. I though a real world leader would need to have the street cleared in order to make a gesture like this.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

... the workforce is more diverse and white workers have to attend Diversity Training. For what?

Is this another one of your dogsh-t hypotheticals? Everyone -- not just 'white workers' -- attends Diversity training at any company that actually knows what diversity training is meant to achieve. You don't get to opt-out because you're not white.

'For what?' Well, aside from the obvious 'how to get along and not accidentally offend someone', there's a ton of value and it varies by industry. We're a software and services company. Do you think there might be some value in understanding how different cultures might interpret different iconography or language? Or how to best design accessibility features into a user interface? Diversity transcends race, sexual orientation, disability, etc.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by #-3

Interesting, Trudeau just went down and knelt amongst the protestors. I though a real world leader would need to have the street cleared in order to make a gesture like this.

You mean like when he "shovelled" sand into a bag during the Ottawa floods?

[Mr.Coffee]

In general there is simply no need for cops to be outfit or armed the way they are and their conduct over time in many cities in North America has built up to this type of escalated protest in response.

You kind of reap what you sow sometimes. So many times I have heard stories in Calgary about cops who unnecessarily escalate situations because of the approach they take. Generally speaking, the message needs to be- chill out. Relax. People will still obey your commands if you treat them with a bit more respect even in arrest situations. If you need to get firm get firm but that doesn’t mean abuse.

If you want to hold bazookas and play army man dress up- go join the army. Not a police force.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It starts out very small but builds up. Here's an example. You and I work at the same company. Another co-worker and I keep speaking Korean in the workplace and you deem it inappropriate and impolite (not racial). You complain to us but we don't care, we're bitches. You complain to HR and they say, well that's racist you can't say that. Well, can't you have an-English only policy at work, English isn't a race. No that's discriminatory and racist.

I don't think it's inappropriate if it is a personal conversation, but if it has to do with work, then it is. If someone is so insecure that they think people speaking in a language they don't understand is some kind of threat to them, that is their own problem. Having said that, I work for a firm that has multiple Filipino and Spanish speaking people, and they never speak their native languages at work. Only once that I recall, was when one of the Filipino guys called his mom on the phone. Not that he had to, but he told me that he was going to ahead of time in case I was wondering, which was a nice gesture. That, and the time they were teaching me swear words (I will never think of a Poke Bar the same again).

Now I have encountered 2 situations, one in Vancouver and one in Toronto, where there were firms hiring people that speak a foreign language. Both firms do business in Canada exclusively, do their interviews in English, write their reports in English, deal with government agencies in English, yet they only hired people that spoke Korean or Arabic as well. I am not sure if this is legal, but it seemed like a way to ethnically discriminate.

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think it's inappropriate if it is a personal conversation, but if it has to do with work, then it is. If someone is so insecure that they think people speaking in a language they don't understand is some kind of threat to them, that is their own problem. Having said that, I work for a firm that has multiple Filipino and Spanish speaking people, and they never speak their native languages at work. Only once that I recall, was when one of the Filipino guys called his mom on the phone. Not that he had to, but he told me that he was going to ahead of time in case I was wondering, which was a nice gesture. That, and the time they were teaching me swear words (I will never think of a Poke Bar the same again).

Now I have encountered 2 situations, one in Vancouver and one in Toronto, where there were firms hiring people that speak a foreign language. Both firms do business in Canada exclusively, do their interviews in English, write their reports in English, deal with government agencies in English, yet they only hired people that spoke Korean or Arabic as well. I am not sure if this is legal, but it seemed like a way to ethnically discriminate.

Swearing in Tagalog is awesome!

[GirlySports]

We should not speak another language. Then that puts you into an uncomfortable position they we may be speaking about you or others.

Smelly food is another issue. Four white guys could not complain about someone else's smelly food they had to volunteer me to do it

Yes, there are racists but in smaller cases I understand some frustrations. Not everyone is as polite as the Spanish and Filipinos in FlamesAddiction's company.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

"Be more openly racist" is the weirdest response to identity politics I've ever heard of. And even then, how is that framed as a negative for the left? "Oh the left is to blame for making the racists be more open about racism" yeah... well... they're still racists. If someone encourage a pedophile to out himself as a pedophile, we don't say "shame on you for exposing this man!"

It's funny how positions that originate on the far-right or far-left never even consider logic. Like, not even for a second.

They dont think they are being more racist. They just feel pushed a bit too far and want to stand their ground on certain things. I mean saying Merry Christmas is the perfect example of this.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

They dont think they are being more racist. They just feel pushed a bit too far and want to stand their ground on certain things. I mean saying Merry Christmas is the perfect example of this.

Nobody -- NOBODY -- cares if you say Merry Christmas. This is a completely manufactured non-issue that's used to rile up right-wingers every December. I'm a non-religious atheist. Wish me a merry Christmas all you want. I'll say it right back to you. My best friend is Jewish. You can wish him a merry Christmas too. He'll smile and return the greeting.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

This may have Canada divided....:

Trudeau takes a knee at anti-racism protest on Parliament Hill
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...hill-1.5600803

I think what most people will have a problem with is if Trudeau turns around tomorrow and says lockdown restrictions and physical distancing still need to continue.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The huge advantage of traditional UK police uniforms is they are so ridiculous looking to a large degree they put off wanna be Rambo's from joining in the first place, not that the UK police havn't had their issues but it doesn't come close to the US, policemen should never be allowed to look like soldiers, in either their dress or equipment, it alters who joins the force in the first place and then their tactics and attitude once they are in.

It would do the US a vast amount of good if they were forced to give up all their military derived tactical gear and replace it with non military kit that can achieve the far different job the police need to perform without allowing some PTSD'd ex marine who's 3 months back from Kabul to wander around some Podunk town in the mid west in exactly the same equipment utterly unable to realise he isn't there to occupy a hostile territory.

This was basically the argument that I made for targeted gun control. If there are two guns which are identical in their construction, but the one that looks like Rambo's wet dream is the one that is banned, that is exactly the right move. The people who use the weapon for a legal, intended purpose, won't care if it's ugly. The person that wants to look like a badass maniac, shouldn't have the gun in the first place.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Nobody -- NOBODY -- cares if you say Merry Christmas. This is a completely manufactured non-issue that's used to rile up right-wingers every December. I'm a non-religious atheist. Wish me a merry Christmas all you want. I'll say it right back to you. My best friend is Jewish. You can wish him a merry Christmas too. He'll smile and return the greeting.

Dont say nobody. I've been chastised for saying it. I've been almost fired for saying it. My Jewish CEO was really pissed.

[IrishSpring2013]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Dont say nobody. I've been chastised for saying it. I've been almost fired for saying it. My Jewish CEO was really pissed.

With all due respect, I don't believe you.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Dont say nobody. I've been chastised for saying it. I've been almost fired for saying it. My Jewish CEO was really pissed.

Context? Did you see a coworker in the break room, wish him or her a merry Christmas, and then they reported your racist ass to HR for creating a hostile workplace? Or did your company have a policy that instructed all staff to use a more inclusive non-denominational greeting when talking to customers, which you ignored, and then the CEO was pissed?

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Dont say nobody. I've been chastised for saying it. I've been almost fired for saying it. My Jewish CEO was really pissed.

Your Jewish CEO sounds like an #######.

If you'd like to borrow this for your office on Hanukkah - just let me know.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by IrishSpring2013

With all due respect, I don't believe you.

Probably because it sounds totally made up.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Context? Did you see a coworker in the break room, wish him or her a merry Christmas, and then they reported your racist ass to HR for creating a hostile workplace? Or did your company have a policy that instructed all staff to use a more inclusive non-denominational greeting when talking to customers, which you ignored, and then the CEO was pissed?

He was new and we knew he was Jewish. We were doing some promotion with United Way in November so we decided to link it with some Christmas themes like name the Christmas carol for $2. the communications lead and I were running the United Way campaign that year and we and the committee made all the promotional material to go to the CEO for final approval. Well he flipped, rejected everything called us inconsiderate. I put up a fight so that was my fault, almost got fired. Got warned by HR.

Hes Jewish where you dont eat Friday, observing Shabbat?

The funny thing is we still had the staff christmas party that year but the year after it was changed to holiday party.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

He was new and we knew he was Jewish. We were doing some promotion with United Way in November so we decided to link it with some Christmas etc... the communications lead and I were running the United Way campaign that year and we and the committee made all the promotional material to go to the CEO for final approval. Well he flipped and called us inconsiderate. I put up a fight so that was my fault, almost got fired. Got warned by HR.

Hes Jewish where you dont eat Friday, observing Shabbat?

The funny thing is we still had the staff christmas party that year but the year after it was changed to holiday party.

So what you're saying is that he didn't almost fire you for saying merry Christmas, he almost fired you because he specifically asked you to use more inclusive language in the communications materials, you dug your feet in, refused to do what the CEO wanted, and, by your own admission, "put up a fight".

I stand by my original statement. Nobody cares if you wish them a merry Christmas. You can ask 100 Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Rastafarians, atheists, and agnostics if they're offended if someone wishes them a merry Christmas, and not one of them will say yes. I guarantee it. Ironically, if you polled 100 conservative Christians if they're offended by the greeting "Happy holidays", you'll find that lots of them are. Boy does that innocuous phrase sure trigger those delicate snowflakes.

[Scorch]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Nobody -- NOBODY -- cares if you say Merry Christmas. This is a completely manufactured non-issue that's used to rile up right-wingers every December. I'm a non-religious atheist. Wish me a merry Christmas all you want. I'll say it right back to you. My best friend is Jewish. You can wish him a merry Christmas too. He'll smile and return the greeting.

Nobody? While it doesn’t bother you or your friend, I hope you realize there are a silent minority who it does bother but would rather go on with their lives and not get into a huge debate with someone who deliberately wished them a merry Christmas when it was obvious they don’t celebrate it

Is it that difficult to instead say “Happy Holidays”?

[MarchHare]

Getting this thread back on topic...

According to a local NBC station in Buffalo, the police union issued a statement defending the actions of the officers who assaulted the 75 year-old man last night and claimed they were "simply executing orders." Yes, they actually said that. Really.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/bu...1-e59da88fb93a