Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Anyone else remember this argument on Cp a while back? I remember me and others being mocked for saying this same thing, and specifically the colour of police cars.

I was definitely not happy with the change to the more intimidating scheme, and yeah it was mocked and dismissed pretty roundly on CP at the time.

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Point taken, but in my defense I did a Google Image Search for "police uniform canada" and specifically looked for an image that I thought wasn't a tactical unit (no rifles, no heavy body armour, no riot helmets/shields, etc.), just day-to-day regular wear.



Even still, I stand by my original point. IMO the group of UK beat cops I posted looks FAR less intimidating than the picture of CPS beat cops you posted with their black uniforms and dark sunglasses.

To your point, many services, including CPS are giving the option to wearing external body armour. I think that is what you are responding to. It has external molle the allows equipment to be carried on the vest instead of all around the waist. Saves on backs and allows more kit gear (ie. Trauma kits) to be carried.

While it's purpose is practicality, it is definitely more militarized than the traditional duty belt.

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[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Point taken, but in my defense I did a Google Image Search for "police uniform canada" and specifically looked for an image that I thought wasn't a tactical unit (no rifles, no heavy body armour, no riot helmets/shields, etc.), just day-to-day regular wear.

Even still, I stand by my original point. IMO the group of UK beat cops I posted looks FAR less intimidating than the picture of CPS beat cops you posted with their black uniforms and dark sunglasses.

The truth is your post demonstrates how to conduct spin and distortion on the internet. I am not going to bother but it would probably take me 10 seconds to find a friendly picture of Russian cops.

[MoneyGuy]

Some points from reading some of this thread, skimming some of it.

I admit to not knowing Candace Owens but she seems nice. She has really said all of those horrible things?

Someone is actually advocating capital punishment for pointing a gun at a pregnant woman? Wow.

I once read an opinion that pretty much all of us are at least a little racist. It’s likely true.

The U.S. is really f’d up and we may be witnessing the collapse of the nation, which is fascinating but terrifying. That’s nothing new to 98% of us. I have a good friend living in Phoenix and we were discussing the sad state but I didn’t have the heart to be completely honest about that.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Point taken, but in my defense I did a Google Image Search for "police uniform canada" and specifically looked for an image that I thought wasn't a tactical unit (no rifles, no heavy body armour, no riot helmets/shields, etc.), just day-to-day regular wear.

Even still, I stand by my original point. IMO the group of UK beat cops I posted looks FAR less intimidating than the picture of CPS beat cops you posted with their black uniforms and dark sunglasses.

Fair enough.

There is some debate about moving to those vests in the 'bottom' pic of your post. The Duty Belt is showing to not only hold stuff in a "not very good" manner, but to also promote poor posture and contribute to back pain, as well as be a PITA getting in and out of a cruiser.

So there is some thought to move to the 'vest belt' as it combines both the duty vest (though I'm given to understand it's a weaker version, being a compromise) and the duty belt, hanging stuff off your shoulders and sides in an easy to reach manner, instead of on a belt.

The vest then could be painted in a high vis manner, which would then turn the cop into your top picture. Could be moving that way "someday."

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

The truth is your post demonstrates how to conduct spin and distortion on the internet. I am not going to bother but it would probably take me 10 seconds to find a friendly picture of Russian cops.

It's a dictatorship. Hot young women in tight uniforms tend to come with the package.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I once read an opinion that pretty much all of us are at least a little racist. It’s likely true.

I don't think it's even an opinion. I think research shows that all babies/kids like people who have traits that they are more familiar with (i.e. their parents faces, language and accents) and will 'shun' those who are different. Making us all inherently racist, and needing to accept we all have biases formed right from babyhood. I think it's better to realize none of us are perfectly non-racist individuals, that way we can actually confront our own biases and change.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Fair enough.

There is some debate about moving to those vests in the 'bottom' pic of your post. The Duty Belt is showing to not only hold stuff in a "not very good" manner, but to also promote poor posture and contribute to back pain, as well as be a PITA getting in and out of a cruiser.

So there is some thought to move to the 'vest belt' as it combines both the duty vest (though I'm given to understand it's a weaker version, being a compromise) and the duty belt, hanging stuff off your shoulders and sides in an easy to reach manner, instead of on a belt.

The vest then could be painted in a high vis manner, which would then turn the cop into your top picture. Could be moving that way "someday."

If you look at the guy on the far right of the first picture I posted, that's the kind of uniform I'd like to see for our non-tactical beat cops. His high-vis vest appears to carry lots of gear in an easily-supported manner, in contrast to the old-style belts which cause ergonomic issues as you noted. At least to me, it looks both functional for the officer and non-intimidating to the citizenry.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Some points from reading some of this thread, skimming some of it.

I admit to not knowing Candace Owens but she seems nice. She has really said all of those horrible things.

Someone is actually advocating capital punishment for pointing a gun at a pregnant woman? Wow.

I once read an opinion that pretty much all of us are at least a little racist. It’s likely true.

The U.S. is really f’d up and we may be witnessing the collapse of the nation, which is fascinating but terrifying. That’s nothing new to 98% of us. I have a good friend living in Phoenix and we were discussing the sad state but I didn’t have the heart to be completely honest about that.

I have a cousin that lives in Cincinnati and she told me that there is a noticeable change after Trump took over. She had no idea that a large number of her co-workers and friends over the years were so racist deep down inside. She told me that they say she can't understand because she isn't an American. Apparently the city has always had a lot of tension, but Trump seemed to really divide people there.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have a cousin that lives in Cincinnati and she told me that there is a noticeable change after Trump took over. She had no idea that a large number of her co-workers and friends over the years were so racist deep down inside. She told me that they say she can't understand because she isn't an American. Apparently the city has always had a lot of tension, but Trump seemed to really divide people there.

There's two reasons that coincide I think. Trump and the GOP have absolutely made it ok to be more vocal about he these feelings but also the left has pushed identity politics so far that people can't stand it anymore and have to speak out. The white person (male especially) isn't wrong and racist all the time.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

There's two reasons that coincide I think. Trump and the GOP have absolutely made it ok to be more vocal about he these feelings but also the left has pushed identity politics so far that people can't stand it anymore and have to speak out. The white person (male especially) isn't wrong and racist all the time.

Examples please.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Examples please.

It starts out very small but builds up. Here's an example. You and I work at the same company. Another co-worker and I keep speaking Korean in the workplace and you deem it inappropriate and impolite (not racial). You complain to us but we don't care, we're bitches. You complain to HR and they say, well that's racist you can't say that. Well, can't you have an-English only policy at work, English isn't a race. No that's discriminatory and racist.

Another one is with quotas in some organizations, the workforce is more diverse and white workers have to attend Diversity Training. For what? The workplace should have common professional rules regardless of race or culture. If you work at ABC Company you must comply with these rules and represent the company in this way. But company rules keep chancing to accommodate different cultures and people then have to go to training. It's annoying. So if a person happens to get beat down on these things over and over again, they're going to lash out. Does the workplace have to adapt to the people or do the people have to adapt to the workplace? Who's the employer here?

Yes, organizations should hire more minorities, but that doesn't mean that have to change their policies. Employees will just adapt.

Diversity Training at work is absolute bunk.

[firebug]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It starts out very small but builds up. Here's an example. You and I work at the same company. Another co-worker and I keep speaking Korean in the workplace and you deem it inappropriate and impolite (not racial). You complain to us but we don't care, we're bitches. You complain to HR and they say, well that's racist you can't say that. Well, can't you have an-English only policy at work, English isn't a race. No that's discriminatory and racist.

Another one is with quotas in some organizations, the workforce is more diverse and white workers have to attend Diversity Training. For what? The workplace should have common professional rules regardless of race or culture. If you work at ABC Company you must comply with these rules and represent the company in this way. But company rules keep chancing to accommodate different cultures and people then have to go to training. It's annoying. So if a person happens to get beat down on these things over and over again, they're going to lash out. Does the workplace have to adapt to the people or do the people have to adapt to the workplace? Who's the employer here?

Yes, organizations should hire more minorities, but that doesn't mean that have to change their policies. Employees will just adapt.

Diversity Training at work is absolute bunk.

Did any of the Korean women own or ride horses? ;-)

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It starts out very small but builds up. Here's an example. You and I work at the same company. Another co-worker and I keep speaking Korean in the workplace and you deem it inappropriate and impolite (not racial). You complain to us but we don't care, we're bitches. You complain to HR and they say, well that's racist you can't say that. Well, can't you have an-English only policy at work, English isn't a race. No that's discriminatory and racist.

Another one is with quotas in some organizations, the workforce is more diverse and white workers have to attend Diversity Training. For what? The workplace should have common professional rules regardless of race or culture. If you work at ABC Company you must comply with these rules and represent the company in this way. But company rules keep chancing to accommodate different cultures and people then have to go to training. It's annoying. So if a person happens to get beat down on these things over and over again, they're going to lash out. Does the workplace have to adapt to the people or do the people have to adapt to the workplace? Who's the employer here?

Yes, organizations should hire more minorities, but that doesn't mean that have to change their policies. Employees will just adapt.

Diversity Training at work is absolute bunk.

Why would two people talking Korean be inappropriate? If they are more comfortable in that language - then go nuts with it. Unless they are inviting us all to a meeting and then having it in Korean so I can't understand it - why do I care what language they speak in when having personal conversations?

And employers should be open to. adapting to their employees within reason. We're not in the military in the middle of a war. If someone needs a day off because of their religion or whatever - then let them.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It starts out very small but builds up. Here's an example. You and I work at the same company. Another co-worker and I keep speaking Korean in the workplace and you deem it inappropriate and impolite (not racial). You complain to us but we don't care, we're bitches. You complain to HR and they say, well that's racist you can't say that. Well, can't you have an-English only policy at work, English isn't a race. No that's discriminatory and racist.

In this hypothetical scenario, are you and your friend speaking in Korean in a professional meeting during which I (and possibly other coworkers too) are participating, or are you just having a friendly chat between the two of you unrelated to my work?

Another one is with quotas in some organizations, the workforce is more diverse and white workers have to attend Diversity Training. For what? The workplace should have common professional rules regardless of race or culture. If you work at ABC Company you must comply with these rules and represent the company in this way. But company rules keep chancing to accommodate different cultures and people then have to go to training. It's annoying. So if a person happens to get beat down on these things over and over again, they're going to lash out. Does the workplace have to adapt to the people or do the people have to adapt to the workplace? Who's the employer here?

I don't know what companies you've worked at, but at literally every employer I've ever had, diversity/inclusion/sensitivity training has been mandatory for everyone, not just white people, not just men. And honestly, this is a REALLY freaking weak justification for racist people coming out of the woodwork all over America post-Trump. "Wah, I had to attend training at work that says I can't slap my female coworkers on the ass anymore or call my gay coworker a fa****! I have to treat my black colleagues like they're people, not sub-human slaves. Guess I better don my KKK hood! I'm not racist, honest, it's just those damn liberals and their identity politics forced me to put a Confederate flag on my truck and burn a cross on the lawn of a black church!"

[DiracSpike]

I'm pro-police and even I think they went too far with the new color scheme for the cruisers. The lighter softer color scheme along with uniforms and such makes a difference, big fan of the neon yellow euro style cruisers.

[PepsiFree]

"Be more openly racist" is the weirdest response to identity politics I've ever heard of. And even then, how is that framed as a negative for the left? "Oh the left is to blame for making the racists be more open about racism" yeah... well... they're still racists. If someone encourage a pedophile to out himself as a pedophile, we don't say "shame on you for exposing this man!"

It's funny how positions that originate on the far-right or far-left never even consider logic. Like, not even for a second.

[Looch City]

This may have Canada divided....:

Trudeau takes a knee at anti-racism protest on Parliament Hill
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...hill-1.5600803

[MarchHare]

Good for Trudeau. I 100% support what he did today.

[afc wimbledon]

The huge advantage of traditional UK police uniforms is they are so ridiculous looking to a large degree they put off wanna be Rambo's from joining in the first place, not that the UK police havn't had their issues but it doesn't come close to the US, policemen should never be allowed to look like soldiers, in either their dress or equipment, it alters who joins the force in the first place and then their tactics and attitude once they are in.

It would do the US a vast amount of good if they were forced to give up all their military derived tactical gear and replace it with non military kit that can achieve the far different job the police need to perform without allowing some PTSD'd ex marine who's 3 months back from Kabul to wander around some Podunk town in the mid west in exactly the same equipment utterly unable to realise he isn't there to occupy a hostile territory.