Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Get the eff out of here with that victim blaming BS.

NVM. I agree though, it's hopeless and if you have an opposing viewpoint or a question, you need ot leave this thread. It will not be tolerated.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No I am convinced this woman with a child hasn't commited a crime as that is what the papers are saying, I am also convinced if this is true the cop knew that as they can pull up cpic in their car in a few seconds and check on anyone, I'm also convinced the only reason the cop went to her house was because her boyfriend called the cops to say she had heard a prowler and was scared, somehow a cop who is sent to protect a young mum ends up shooting her dead and we are supposed to believe she randomly came out of her apartment like a maniac trying to kill him? we are also supposed to believe in the incredibly unlikely event that that story is true, and I don't believe it for a moment, but assuming it is true that was his only solution to defend himself from a slightly built 25 year old girl was to shoot her dead?

It's a bull#### story covering up some horrendous accident is my guess but he's a cop so we don't question him eh?

Yes I truly believe that happened versus the fabricated mess of a story you are conjuring up. I realize you are the hand to hand knife combat expert here, but I don't think there are a lot of options to mull over in the split second this woman reportedly exited her home brandishing a knife towards the officer(s) (in the enclosed space of an apartment building no less). Why don't we wait until the investigation reveals a little more information before we declare the officer a murderer? Or have you already made up your mind no matter the result?

Originally Posted by jar_e

I am not getting into a debate regarding this but on first read it sounds like paranoia/schizophrenic breakdown (prolonged concern of a prowler, too afraid to call the cops and calls close people instead, etc).

I guess if you’re never gonna accept any releases on the story there isn’t really much if you’re gonna dictate you’re own narrative onto it.

I’m sure people on this board know what I do for work and I’ve typed out/deleted about a dozen responses to misconceptions about policing in Canada and tensions in the states. I’ve worked here and lived in the states part time for the past two years. It’s so more complex than what we see and though police are an easy scapegoat (and rightfully so given their reprehensible actions), systemic racism is addressed through changes in the justice system, changes in identifying mental health, housing, access to legal guidance, etc. And that’s just in the legal side. Never mind the systemic issues of minorities getting paid less, access to healthcare, etc.

What happened to George Floyd and the countless others is atrocious and hopefully justice can be served.

No it's not. AFC has it all figured out. Clearly has a ton of experience.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by jar_e

I am not getting into a debate regarding this but on first read it sounds like paranoia/schizophrenic breakdown (prolonged concern of a prowler, too afraid to call the cops and calls close people instead, etc).

Something like that was my first thought, too. I'll take at least a phone call per tour of someone scared out of their mind with someone knocking at their door. 99% of the time, it's been some persistent but misguided drunk who's found the wrong door to their house or their buddies house and can't understand why no one is answering the door.

The person calling is in various states of fear, up to histrionics or outright panic, unable to understand why someone might be knocking at their door.

So we have a mother, scared for herself and her child, who called her boyfriend, may not have known her boyfriend called the police.

Police show up and do a walk around the yard to see if they can find anyone which is pretty standard. They don't find anyone. The mom is inside, unaware police are coming, but now she can hear someone walking around the house. Again.

Officer knocks on the door to make contact with her and explain they've walked around and can't see anyone. Mother hears that, and decides that she's going to defend herself and her child. Grabs a kitchen knife, throws open the door and blindly lashes out with the knife.

The rest is a tragedy, no matter what happens.

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I've already taken a call like this tonight. This is why, when I get a call like this, I don't hang up until the officer and the caller are talking to each other.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268732525448441856

What does he mean both officers? I saw dozens in that video who saw an assault on a peaceful old man and did nothing but protect the assailants. ALL of them were involved.

Long story short...

In Calgary downtown at the protest, there was a large gathering and someone speaking. A man walked into the crowd in a Trump t-shirt and started spewing nonsense. A scrum took place and the man was removed from the group by police. As they did so, he fell to the ground. At that point, I could here the same protesters, who a rallying against police brutality, yelling at the police to $#%k him up.

What a world we live in.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Definately NG.

Gah. When I see this, I naturally think Edmonton.

*checks thread*

Dang. NG also could stand for National Guard it seems

So many acronyms

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Yes I truly believe that happened versus the fabricated mess of a story you are conjuring up. I realize you are the hand to hand knife combat expert here, but I don't think there are a lot of options to mull over in the split second this woman reportedly exited her home brandishing a knife towards the officer(s) (in the enclosed space of an apartment building no less). Why don't we wait until the investigation reveals a little more information before we declare the officer a murderer? Or have you already made up your mind no matter the result?

Thing is, even if police story is true - which I doubt - this was a major screw up by the police. Two officers were called to check out for a prowler and were caught by surprise by a knife - wielding slim woman, to the point where two armed, alerted and trained professionals appeared powerless to overcome her in any other way except for firing five shots at her. They should be fired for incompetence at least, if not trialed for murder.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's incredible that people are marching all over to protest racism and excessive use of force by the police, and all these sponge heads can think of is to use excessive force in every situation they are in. It's disgusting. And the first response from police officials is a lie. Do they not know there are cameras everywhere? How stupid are all of them? It's unreal.

They’re so used to being an untouchable criminal empire with immunity that I don’t think they care if people realize they’re blatantly lying.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Something like that was my first thought, too. I'll take at least a phone call per tour of someone scared out of their mind with someone knocking at their door. 99% of the time, it's been some persistent but misguided drunk who's found the wrong door to their house or their buddies house and can't understand why no one is answering the door.

The person calling is in various states of fear, up to histrionics or outright panic, unable to understand why someone might be knocking at their door.

So we have a mother, scared for herself and her child, who called her boyfriend, may not have known her boyfriend called the police.

Police show up and do a walk around the yard to see if they can find anyone which is pretty standard. They don't find anyone. The mom is inside, unaware police are coming, but now she can hear someone walking around the house. Again.

Officer knocks on the door to make contact with her and explain they've walked around and can't see anyone. Mother hears that, and decides that she's going to defend herself and her child. Grabs a kitchen knife, throws open the door and blindly lashes out with the knife.

The rest is a tragedy, no matter what happens.

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I've already taken a call like this tonight. This is why, when I get a call like this, I don't hang up until the officer and the caller are talking to each other.

Your post makes perfect sense except for the bolded part. Once police is on the scene and says there's no one around, why would she blindly lash out with the knife?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

No it's not. AFC has it all figured out. Clearly has a ton of experience.

What makes you sure she even wielded a knife at the first place? Just because the man who shot her said so?

[Crown Royal]

Take a day away and this thread has turned into a complete #### show

Originally Posted by Pointman

What makes you sure she even wielded a knife at the first place? Just because the man who shot her said so?

Guess I could ask you the same question then we all go around in circles.

But I read on here long ago that you can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into. So I am going to stick with that.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

What does he mean both officers? I saw dozens in that video who saw an assault on a peaceful old man and did nothing but protect the assailants. ALL of them were involved.

My favourite part was the one cop who felt the urge to go check on him was pushed forward to keep moving by another cop.

Nice work boys.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by transplant99

MSNBC is all over this....been talking about it for about 15 minutes now.

Good.

Police brutality in the name of controlling protests of police brutality.

Mind boggling.

The use of force in this situation is disgusting. Tens of officers walking and they can’t reasonably control a 75 year old man. The officer that pushed the man over seems to instantly realize he messed up as he turns to look at the injury he caused. I’m certain he will be fired tomorrow and should be charged with assault.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by nik-

My favourite part was the one cop who felt the urge to go check on him was pushed forward to keep moving by another cop.

Nice work boys.

From the reporting on msnbc, the other cop was apparently a supervisor as he had a gold badge on. If your superiors are #######s, they probably encourage similar behaviours.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Yes I truly believe that happened versus the fabricated mess of a story you are conjuring up. I realize you are the hand to hand knife combat expert here, but I don't think there are a lot of options to mull over in the split second this woman reportedly exited her home brandishing a knife towards the officer(s) (in the enclosed space of an apartment building no less). Why don't we wait until the investigation reveals a little more information before we declare the officer a murderer? Or have you already made up your mind no matter the result?

I'm not saying the officer is a murderer, I'm just saying the story makes no sense what so ever, this young mum wasn't ranting around the complex in an angry belligerent state, threatening people with a knife and so the cops were called by a neighbour or something, I would still think killing someone for being mentally ill is bull#### but at least that would make sense, I would understand they were wandering around with their guns drawn on edge at the potential for a violent confrontation, but these cops would have had their guns holstered coming up to the apartment to knock on the door to see if she was alright, if she came out of the door with the knife like a maniac she is on them before they can do a thing, for her to be shot 5 times requires enough space between her and the officers for them to draw their guns and shoot her, the story makes no sense.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

I've already taken a call like this tonight. This is why, when I get a call like this, I don't hang up until the officer and the caller are talking to each other.

Shouldn't this be part of training and procedure, then? It sounds as if you do this on your own initiative.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I'm not saying the officer is a murderer, I'm just saying the story makes no sense what so ever, this young mum wasn't ranting around the complex in an angry belligerent state, threatening people with a knife and so the cops were called by a neighbour or something, I would still think killing someone for being mentally ill is bull#### but at least that would make sense, I would understand they were wandering around with their guns drawn on edge at the potential for a violent confrontation, but these cops would have had their guns holstered coming up to the apartment to knock on the door to see if she was alright, if she came out of the door with the knife like a maniac she is on them before they can do a thing, for her to be shot 5 times requires enough space between her and the officers for them to draw their guns and shoot her, the story makes no sense.

1st degree murder charge right?

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by BlAcKNoVa

Cop is a dick and should be fired but why are people walking into a moving police line? Wtf?

BTW, the reason he was walking toward the police line? He was trying to return a riot helmet one of the officers had lost.