Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Not to mention...there are times when a cop can't and/or shouldn't retreat. Can you imagine the "Why didn't you stop them!" complaints, if a cop retreated from a knife wielding attacker, to have that attacker run off and harm an innocent bystander. That is a significant part of the risk calculation.

No one can out run a bullet, the cop still has their gun, and can still use it if needed, I am just pointing out they don't have to pull the damn thing out as a comfort blanket every chance they get at any situation where they aren't sure what else to do.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

First the vast, vast, vast, majority of people with a knife the police come across are depressed, suicidal, suffering from delusional behaviour often drunk or high and not looking to kill a random policeman, these are the poor schmoes the cops shoot by the thousands and that includes the rare cases where the cops deal with people who have actually killed someone, the wife or kids, with a knife, they still are unlikely to actually try and kill a policeman, on top of that the 'range' of a knife is about 3 feet beyond that a policeman is safe and can back off.

The problem you are having is thinking everyone with a knife confronting a cop is Norman Bates where as in fact most are just sad broken people going through a massive crisis in life and do not need to be killed as a response to that.

So you're saying there's a chance she wasn't the saint you're convinced she is?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Acey

So you're saying there's a chance she wasn't the saint you're convinced she is?

You mean the young mum in New Brunswick with no criminal record, a young daughter and a job, I supposed it could all of been a cover and in fact she's a major drug baron, but it seems unlikley

[Samonadreau]

Have we seen one cop get in trouble that hasnt been purely as response to backlash from a video on social media?. That right there is the problem. As soon as the cameras are off it will be same old.

[afc wimbledon]

and seriously maybe part of the problem is we require victims of police shootings to justify why they shouldn't have been shot instead of the other way around, why does it matter whether someone has led a blameless life and volunteers at the old folks home on the weekend before we question why they died in a hail of police bullets rather than always asking the same of the police that we ask of you and me, if I shot someone anyone under any but the most extreme circumstances I go to jail, why the hell do we demand more of the average citizen than we do the police when we judge self defence? if some neighbour had shot her his arse would be in jail and staying their for 10 or more years

[missdpuck]

https://youtu.be/dIyZiFwLOos

Blah. Can’t get this to work.

Anyway, it’s the knife scene from Ft Apache the Bronx.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

You mean the young mum in New Brunswick with no criminal record, a young daughter and a job, I supposed it could all of been a cover and in fact she's a major drug baron, but it seems unlikley

No woman with a child has ever committed a crime in the history of humanity. You must be right. You're convinced police in this country are just gunning coloured people down on their doorstep in cold blood. Cool. Good thing for me I don't answer the door.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Acey

No woman with a child has ever committed a crime in the history of humanity. You must be right. You're convinced police in this country are just gunning coloured people down on their doorstep in cold blood. Cool. Good thing for me I don't answer the door.

No I am convinced this woman with a child hasn't commited a crime as that is what the papers are saying, I am also convinced if this is true the cop knew that as they can pull up cpic in their car in a few seconds and check on anyone, I'm also convinced the only reason the cop went to her house was because her boyfriend called the cops to say she had heard a prowler and was scared, somehow a cop who is sent to protect a young mum ends up shooting her dead and we are supposed to believe she randomly came out of her apartment like a maniac trying to kill him? we are also supposed to believe in the incredibly unlikely event that that story is true, and I don't believe it for a moment, but assuming it is true that was his only solution to defend himself from a slightly built 25 year old girl was to shoot her dead?

It's a bull#### story covering up some horrendous accident is my guess but he's a cop so we don't question him eh?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Btw........Buffalo Police released a statement saying he was hurt when he 'tripped and fell'.

There are so many problems in that country right now. And it won't be fixed overnight.

It's incredible that people are marching all over to protest racism and excessive use of force by the police, and all these sponge heads can think of is to use excessive force in every situation they are in. It's disgusting. And the first response from police officials is a lie. Do they not know there are cameras everywhere? How stupid are all of them? It's unreal.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Acey

If you move the goalpost for it to be a "a doctor removed quickly after a first malpractice allegation", then no. My interpretation was merely a doctor facing litigation and subsequent jail time after a malpractice suit, which is what I said my interpretation was.

You tried making the point that doctors are easily removed in cases of malpractice. My point that is not true.

Sorry if I took it a little far. Like police, doctors are highly specialized professionals with strongly negotiated professional rights. It is very difficult to prove or act on misconduct by either. One of the reasons for this is that their jobs are very very open to complaints but disgruntled customers who were not there by choice, another reason for this is they are difficult to replace and we have given them too much string to hang themselves on.

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

First the vast, vast, vast, majority of people with a knife the police come across are depressed, suicidal, suffering from delusional behaviour often drunk or high and not looking to kill a random policeman, these are the poor schmoes the cops shoot by the thousands and that includes the rare cases where the cops deal with people who have actually killed someone, the wife or kids, with a knife, they still are unlikely to actually try and kill a policeman, on top of that the 'range' of a knife is about 3 feet beyond that a policeman is safe and can back off.



The problem you are having is thinking everyone with a knife confronting a cop is Norman Bates where as in fact most are just sad broken people going through a massive crisis in life and do not need to be killed as a response to that.

Omg man. I can't tell if you are just trying to get a rise out of people or what, but just stop.

I get it's a message board and everyone is entitled to an opinion, but do you seriously believe the garbage you've posted for a past little while.

Take a step back. You've lost it.

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[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This is just so, so appalling. It genuinely almost reduced me to tears.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268717966532792325

MSNBC is all over this....been talking about it for about 15 minutes now.

Good.

Police brutality in the name of controlling protests of police brutality.

Mind boggling.

[BlAcKNoVa]

Cop is a dick and should be fired but why are people walking into a moving police line? Wtf?

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Both officers? What about every other officer that walked right past the man without stopping to render aid? Who just ignored him as if he was a piece of litter on the sidewalk. Have they no humanity? A scene like that is straight out of the Warsaw ghetto circa 1943. I never imagined I'd see anything like that in the United States of America in 2020.

And while they're at it, how about an inquiry into what sort of process allowed them to put out a press release saying that this man 'tripped and fell'. Were other officers interviewed? Did they all lie? Did they attempt to interview witnesses?

Police (and supporters of police) sometimes wonder why others don't believe the police accounts of these encounters with protesters and bystanders. They certainly don't earn any trust by releasing accounts to the public that favour optics over truth or even optics over pleas for patience while they investigate. I suppose there's an ingrained 'nothing to see here, folks!' instinct, but it needs to change.

[bob-loblaw]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This is just so, so appalling. It genuinely almost reduced me to tears.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268717966532792325

This is disgusting.

Every cop just strolls on by. I'm not sure who the guys are in the camo clothing (National Guard maybe), but they're the only ones that give a crap about an old guy knocked out and bleeding from his head on the sidewalk.

I must say it's good that the fall out on those two officers has been pretty swift. I wonder why... Hmmm...

The way these police forces handle curfews has been examples of stupidity. The clock rolls one second past the curfew start and they go into full attack mode. There absolutely no logic to their 'law and order'. You hear how poiice are trained to de-escalate things, and yet there's been few examples of it.

There's no doubt that being a member of the police is a tough job, especially in the states. I really wonder how well they sleep at night after coming home from attacking unarmed people.

[activeStick]

The guy is 75 fricking years old. Angers me so much as he's the age of my father.

Also, I think someone's finally had enough...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268732850263728133

[MarchHare]

Where are all the good cops in that video? We keep hearing how most cops are good and it's just a few bad apples, right? I count at least 14 Buffalo PD officers on the sidewalk, not counting the National Guard troops in the rear and the officers on the street. Why didn't even ONE good cop stop to help the man? Why didn't even ONE good cop step up and restrain his out of control colleague who just brutalized an elderly man?

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by BlAcKNoVa

Cop is a dick and should be fired but why are people walking into a moving police line? Wtf?

Get the eff out of here with that victim blaming BS.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

This is disgusting.

Every cop just strolls on by. I'm not sure who the guys are in the camo clothing (National Guard maybe), but they're the only ones that give a crap about an old guy knocked out and bleeding from his head on the sidewalk.

I must say it's good that the fall out on those two officers has been pretty swift. I wonder why... Hmmm...

The way these police forces handle curfews has been examples of stupidity. The clock rolls one second past the curfew start and they go into full attack mode. There absolutely no logic to their 'law and order'. You hear how poiice are trained to de-escalate things, and yet there's been few examples of it.

There's no doubt that being a member of the police is a tough job, especially in the states. I really wonder how well they sleep at night after coming home from attacking unarmed people.

Definately NG.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No I am convinced this woman with a child hasn't commited a crime as that is what the papers are saying, I am also convinced if this is true the cop knew that as they can pull up cpic in their car in a few seconds and check on anyone, I'm also convinced the only reason the cop went to her house was because her boyfriend called the cops to say she had heard a prowler and was scared, somehow a cop who is sent to protect a young mum ends up shooting her dead and we are supposed to believe she randomly came out of her apartment like a maniac trying to kill him? we are also supposed to believe in the incredibly unlikely event that that story is true, and I don't believe it for a moment, but assuming it is true that was his only solution to defend himself from a slightly built 25 year old girl was to shoot her dead?

It's a bull#### story covering up some horrendous accident is my guess but he's a cop so we don't question him eh?

I am not getting into a debate regarding this but on first read it sounds like paranoia/schizophrenic breakdown (prolonged concern of a prowler, too afraid to call the cops and calls close people instead, etc).

I guess if you’re never gonna accept any releases on the story there isn’t really much if you’re gonna dictate you’re own narrative onto it.

I’m sure people on this board know what I do for work and I’ve typed out/deleted about a dozen responses to misconceptions about policing in Canada and tensions in the states. I’ve worked here and lived in the states part time for the past two years. It’s so more complex than what we see and though police are an easy scapegoat (and rightfully so given their reprehensible actions), systemic racism is addressed through changes in the justice system, changes in identifying mental health, housing, access to legal guidance, etc. And that’s just in the legal side. Never mind the systemic issues of minorities getting paid less, access to healthcare, etc.

What happened to George Floyd and the countless others is atrocious and hopefully justice can be served.