Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Blah blah blah blah blah

You’ve been made aware that using the term thug to refer to black people has been used as code for the n word by those on the right for quite some time now. If you’d like to keep referring to black people as thugs please feel free just don’t cry when you get asked to quit being racist. That’s it. No hand waving or making of excuses changes how it’s viewed.

Excellent. God we got that out of the way. So, still protesting then yes?

I just explained how it ISNT viewed that way by many blacks and you dismiss it out of hand cause ( i assume) who cares what they think anyways?

Well done.

And as a complete and utter crazy coincidence...Anderson Cooper just refereed to rioters and looters as thugs in an interview with General Russel Honore. Hmmm.

[81MC]

This is the stupidest thing I may have seen on CP

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

Should we know ban all of the Thug Kitchen cookbooks?

Not the time or place for it but those are at best a highly suspect appropriation of culture written by a suburban white couple posing as a stereotypical “thug” Black person so yeah...you do the math.

Edit: I take that back, it definitely is the time.

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Not the time or place for it but those are at best a highly suspect appropriation of culture written by a suburban white couple posing as a stereotypical “thug” Black person so yeah...you do the math.

Edit: I take that back, it definitely is the time.

What always cracked me up is that the books are published by Rodale Press.

In any case”Our Kind of People” by Lawrence Otis Graham is an interesting look into classism within the black community.

The people I knew in NJ were anomalies. Less than 1% of blacks are considered middle class or above, at least as of the writing of the book.

[TheScorpion]

This is just so, so appalling. It genuinely almost reduced me to tears.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268717966532792325

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Serve and protect by shoving an old man to the ground and cracking his head on the cement. Yeah.......he was a big threat.

Not sure how some of these cops sleep at night. Hope the old man is ok, didn't look good.

[Acey]

I feel like the cop at 9 seconds was gonna hit him again to make sure he's down, and then his partner tugged him away like "nah we almost killed him already".

One of top replies "A few bad apples is really starting to look like a goddamn orchard"

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Acey

I feel like the cop at 9 seconds was gonna hit him again to make sure he's down, and then his partner tugged him away like "nah we almost killed him already".

One of top replies "A few bad apples is really starting to look like a goddamn orchard"

The guy who pulled him away also pushed both officers and yelled “move it!”, escalating the situation.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Btw........Buffalo Police released a statement saying he was hurt when he 'tripped and fell'.

There are so many problems in that country right now. And it won't be fixed overnight.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I agree on all of your points but this one. What if the Black person is a criminal? Is it okay to call him or her a thug?

It probably just comes to context and intent. I guess you could reframe it in a better way: are you calling the criminal a thug because they’re Black? Not okay. Do you call all criminals thugs consistently regardless of race? You can probably justify it. Are you calling Black people, who aren’t criminals, thug? Pretty clearly not okay.

A poster like transplant is an example of where it’s race-motivated, which is not okay. He’s called Black criminals thugs and Black athletes who committed crimes thugs, which could be fair, but he’s also called an educated Black athlete (without any criminal history) he didn’t like a thug, has never called a white individual a thug, and even thought a white athlete who committed a crime didn’t qualify as a thug.

When your use of thug (or any derogatory word) is racially motivated, you know the answer of whether it’s okay or not.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Yamer

The willful disregard of training to subdue a suspect in such a manner resulting in death of the suspect is murder.

You've obviously not seen many take down videos, knee on the back is commonly used to subdue someone resisting, so it wasn't willful disregard of training. Obviously he was more on the neck, he obviously didn't realize the danger of what he was doing. Is that straight up murder or negligence? You're not going to convince me that an officer, with everyone filming him was knowingly killing someone. This is negligence causing death(don't know if that's an actual charge) or manslaughter.

[Coach]

As long as we're all bringing personal anecdotal experience into this, i guess I'll give my context.

I grew up in suburban Calgary in an affluent community with very few people of color. My family is that of Saskatchewan farm boys and hockey players. My experience is many of these affluent white men around me regularly referred to black people and black culture as "thug". Rap music was "thug music". Low-riding pants and baggy clothes was "thug". "Thug life" was an appropriate thing for a rich middle class white kid to say in a high-pitched voice in reference to basically anything "black". White teenagers called each other the n-word and various variations of it with casualness or blast "Where The Hood At?" to get pumped up and rap along with it. It was part of the music a lot of people were just starting to listen to and was hardly ever (can't say never for some) malicious. Through hockey, I associated with people from all across the city (and really, the country). This type of behavior was not isolated. It was as common as using the word f** or gay to describe anyone or anything we didn't like. Most of this always felt kind of distasteful to me even as a kid. But to say that I never participated in it in ignorance would be a lie. A lie I think a lot of people from my generation are trying to tell ourselves right now. "Well I'VE never said anything like that!" Are you sure? Are you really sure? It's okay if you did. Grow and change.

I guess this has not been everyone's experience with this, particularly the word thug, but it created a negative association to a world none of us new anything about without us meaning to or realizing it was maybe adding to long-term, ingrained biases in all of us. And it was the same sort of words of defense then too "if they can use it, why cant we? It's just a word. Saying I can say it to a white person but not a black person means YOU'RE racist. That's not equality."

We all know the world of the sports dressing room can be an ugly place. We've all changed. We've all grown as people since then. And I would say the vast majority of us who were kids then have come through it to be allies of equality. But we've never really addressed (with each other, and possibly ourselves) the fact that we used to talk like that and how it may have affected how we interacted, and still do, with those in marginalized communities.

I apologize if I offended anyone. This has been my experience with that and other words of offense. I'm well educated in US history and politics, and particularly over the last decade or so, I feel the word thug has commonly been used as a "buzzword" to demonize black people disproportionately. I feel like I've heard these sentiments from leaders of the black community, particularly over the last few weeks, but it's been a big week, so maybe I'm wrong. Just feel we can maybe use better words to describe rioters and looters. Again, maybe this is my own experience with this, but I know a lot of us are from a similar world and generation, so I feel like it might be disingenuous to say other people haven't had these types of associations with this word.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

You've obviously not seen many take down videos, knee on the back is commonly used to subdue someone resisting, so it wasn't willful disregard of training. Obviously he was more on the neck, he obviously didn't realize the danger of what he was doing. Is that straight up murder or negligence? You're not going to convince me that an officer, with everyone filming him was knowingly killing someone. This is negligence causing death(don't know if that's an actual charge) or manslaughter.

It doesn't matter if he knew what he was doing would cause death. The standard is always would a reasonable person have known. That prevents idiots like this guy from getting off cause they're stupid. While proving intent is likely not possible, it's much more than 3rd degree manslaughter or negligence causing death. It wasn't an accident. And he should have known better.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

There you go again. You seem to think retreat and running for your life are the same. If someone wants to kill you with a knife you can't really retreat. You freaking book it out of there like the cop in LA. Retreat is possible if there isn't an immediate threat.

Not to mention...there are times when a cop can't and/or shouldn't retreat. Can you imagine the "Why didn't you stop them!" complaints, if a cop retreated from a knife wielding attacker, to have that attacker run off and harm an innocent bystander. That is a significant part of the risk calculation.

[Acey]

Got em

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268560617566240768

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Btw........Buffalo Police released a statement saying he was hurt when he 'tripped and fell'.

"Possible concussion" is his status. Thanks for that update, Buffalo PD...

[KootenayFlamesFan]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268732525448441856

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It probably just comes to context and intent. I guess you could reframe it in a better way: are you calling the criminal a thug because they’re Black? Not okay. Do you call all criminals thugs consistently regardless of race? You can probably justify it. Are you calling Black people, who aren’t criminals, thug? Pretty clearly not okay.

A poster like transplant is an example of where it’s race-motivated, which is not okay. He’s called Black criminals thugs and Black athletes who committed crimes thugs, which could be fair, but he’s also called an educated Black athlete (without any criminal history) he didn’t like a thug, has never called a white individual a thug, and even thought a white athlete who committed a crime didn’t qualify as a thug.

When your use of thug (or any derogatory word) is racially motivated, you know the answer of whether it’s okay or not.

Like...seriously?

In this very thread. (Mind you who cares about facts and accuracy)

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...postcount=1700

But you wanna call me a racist...knock yourself out and you can have all the feels that faux SJW's crave.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268732525448441856

Both officers? What about every other officer that walked right past the man without stopping to render aid? Who just ignored him as if he was a piece of litter on the sidewalk. Have they no humanity? A scene like that is straight out of the Warsaw ghetto circa 1943. I never imagined I'd see anything like that in the United States of America in 2020.

[Acey]

This same Buffalo writer says he confirmed the man is "stable" at hospital, mayor says possible discipline pending.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268737874201063425

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

There you go again. You seem to think retreat and running for your life are the same. If someone wants to kill you with a knife you can't really retreat. You freaking book it out of there like the cop in LA. Retreat is possible if there isn't an immediate threat.

First the vast, vast, vast, majority of people with a knife the police come across are depressed, suicidal, suffering from delusional behaviour often drunk or high and not looking to kill a random policeman, these are the poor schmoes the cops shoot by the thousands and that includes the rare cases where the cops deal with people who have actually killed someone, the wife or kids, with a knife, they still are unlikely to actually try and kill a policeman, on top of that the 'range' of a knife is about 3 feet beyond that a policeman is safe and can back off.

The problem you are having is thinking everyone with a knife confronting a cop is Norman Bates where as in fact most are just sad broken people going through a massive crisis in life and do not need to be killed as a response to that.