Someone can correct me, but I believe that the President can send in troops without state approval under the Insurrection act, which was designed as a except for clause in Posse Comitatus. Its been used several times in modern history. What gets this around Congress blocking it, is that it's almost like its got pre-approval without the need to notify or get Congress's approval.
From my understanding what really gets this around Posse, is that the military wouldn't go in to enforce civilian law, but is there to aid civilian authority while not acting as a police force.
I don't want the military to go in anywhere, because frankly their approach to ending the state of riot would be extreme.
The only way that this could effect is if an office objects to an order as being a illegal order. If the President declared marshal law and used the Insurrection act, I don't think that a soldier or officer could refuse that order legally. However the add on would be if the Military was deployed under the insurrection act, and either the president or a superior officer order the wholesale slaughter of civilians, that would be an illegal order equaling murder.
My guess is if a Governor specifically refused the Military it would go to the Supreme Ct immediately and while they might uphold Federal power over States rights it would be a massive surprise from the Right Wing side of the Court, it would be like watching the 'Does not Compute' robot scene from Star Trek where strict constitutionalists on the right are asked to completely ignore the whole basis of their judicial philosophy to support what would clearly be a federal take over of the States
How do you know these people aren't donating money to causes related to the movement? That they aren't spending time researching the issues? That they aren't confronting casual racism amongst friends and family?
You see someone posting a black square and automatically label them slacktivist.
Would you rather people list what they're doing to be an ally for POC?
When you spend enough time around people, you tend to learn what makes them tick. Unfortunately, the ones I'm specifically referring to aren't doing a thing because this is borderline habitual for them. Find a cause, hashtag and virtue signal like hell, then move onto the next thing as soon as possible while having actually done nothing about the cause. I am talking about people I know.
Next to the actual murder, that is the hardest video I’ve had to watch through all this. Being attacked like that just because she’s white. Feels like we’re moving backwards at this point.
Where do you get the idea they did it just because she's white? They're all pieces of crap for beating her while she tries to protect her store from being looted but I wouldn't say their motives are racial.
The #blackouttuesday stuff really comes across as the laziest form of virtue signalling. The sentiment is ok, but it doesn't come across as earnest or productive to me.
The irony of everybody flooding Instagram and Facebook with the same blank posts is that it just makes the targeted advertisements really stand out.
Spamming the blank posts with #blacklivesmatter is just clogging up relevant and helpful messages. It’s pushing down important content.
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It really is and it is goddamn infuriating how much I am seeing this, and worst part is it's always the same people doing absolutely NOTHING of value but changing profile photos and hashtagging and pretending they're championing a cause.
It is slacktivism. It's like 'thoughts and prayers'; it does nothing except make you feel like you helped. All to get your dopamine infusion, the one you get from posting the blank photo on your Instagram or Facebook, just like you did when you posted the picture of yourself on social media holding a sign at a protest for an event that occurred in an entirely different country than the one you protested in. You did nothing, but get to pretend you did something. Go you.
"BuT AwArEnEsS."
'Awareness' is pointless, we are hyper aware of what's going on, what is needed is some form of tangible contribution to work toward solving the problem. Donate to the NAACP for example. But more importantly, be an ally... when you see something, say and do something. F--king help.
My daughter calls it performative "activism" - and it's useless. It is increasingly being spoken out against today, because it's overshadowing everything & doing nothing.
There needs to be a different word than "awareness." It's as bad with everything else - "we're having a fundraiser to raise awareness of breast cancer" - what, no one is AWARE breast cancer exists? GMAB. Unless it's some rare disease, people are effing AWARE. This applies to performative activism on all fronts because it alleviates people from responsibility, every bloody time. Yes, I know, some people put their money where their changed avatar/profile picture is, but most are happy to think they're doing so much by changing their avatar/profile photo/banner/header.
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Someone can correct me, but I believe that the President can send in troops without state approval under the Insurrection act, which was designed as a except for clause in Posse Comitatus. Its been used several times in modern history. What gets this around Congress blocking it, is that it's almost like its got pre-approval without the need to notify or get Congress's approval.
From my understanding what really gets this around Posse, is that the military wouldn't go in to enforce civilian law, but is there to aid civilian authority while not acting as a police force.
I don't want the military to go in anywhere, because frankly their approach to ending the state of riot would be extreme.
The only way that this could effect is if an office objects to an order as being a illegal order. If the President declared marshal law and used the Insurrection act, I don't think that a soldier or officer could refuse that order legally. However the add on would be if the Military was deployed under the insurrection act, and either the president or a superior officer order the wholesale slaughter of civilians, that would be an illegal order equaling murder.
Technically you might be right, but we are a long long way from that order actually having any teeth.
Here is great article from the NY Times that goes over it all.
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Someone can correct me, but I believe that the President can send in troops without state approval under the Insurrection act, which was designed as a except for clause in Posse Comitatus. Its been used several times in modern history. What gets this around Congress blocking it, is that it's almost like its got pre-approval without the need to notify or get Congress's approval.
From my understanding what really gets this around Posse, is that the military wouldn't go in to enforce civilian law, but is there to aid civilian authority while not acting as a police force.
I don't want the military to go in anywhere, because frankly their approach to ending the state of riot would be extreme.
The only way that this could effect is if an office objects to an order as being a illegal order. If the President declared marshal law and used the Insurrection act, I don't think that a soldier or officer could refuse that order legally. However the add on would be if the Military was deployed under the insurrection act, and either the president or a superior officer order the wholesale slaughter of civilians, that would be an illegal order equaling murder.
I'm no expert, and all I know is what I've read in a few articles, but my understanding is that unless a state specifically asks for help, the President can only use the military to enforce Federal Laws (those sections both mention "Laws of the United States" and the constitution, so that sounds right to me.
The example that was given was using the military to enforce federal anti-segregation laws at the University of Alabama.
So I don't think they can just roll in and say, we're here to shut down this protest, but who knows, Trump may tell them to do it anyway.
Edit: Hmmm, based on Transplant's link, it would seem it is not that cut and dry.
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My daughter calls it performative "activism" - and it's useless.
Slacktivism - Is a pejorative term for "feel-good" measures in support of an issue or social cause. Slacktivism is showing support for a cause with the main purpose of boosting the egos of participants in the movement. The action may have little effect other than to make the person doing it feel satisfied that they have contributed.
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I'm no expert, and all I know is what I've read in a few articles, but my understanding is that unless a state specifically asks for help, the President can only use the military to enforce Federal Laws (those sections both mention "Laws of the United States" and the constitution, so that sounds right to me.
The example that was given was using the military to enforce federal anti-segregation laws at the University of Alabama.
So I don't think they can just roll in and say, we're here to shut down this protest, but who knows, Trump may tell them to do it anyway.
Yes that is how i read it as well and its why yesterday was able to happen.
Lafayette Park, which is where the trouble happened, is federal land so its under federal law technically. They used federal police from the parks dept and secret service to execute it....and although it was heinous it was not out of the WH jurisdiction. States are.
All that being said, it is now being reported that Bill Barr is the one who ordered the police to advance on the protestors.....to which i have to ask....WTF is he doing giving anyone any sort of orders when it comes to policing? He is a freaking lawyer for the WH and should have absolutely zero to do with anything regarding how to police citizens.
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Yes that is how i read it as well and its why yesterday was able to happen.
Lafayette Park, which is where the trouble happened, is federal land so its under federal law technically. They used federal police from the parks dept and secret service to execute it....and although it was heinous it was not out of the WH jurisdiction. States are.
All that being said, it is now being reported that Bill Barr is the one who ordered the police to advance on the protestors.....to which i have to ask....WTF is he doing giving anyone any sort of orders when it comes to policing? He is a freaking lawyer for the WH and should have absolutely zero to do with anything regarding how to police citizens.
The Attorney General is the top law enforcement officer in the country, just like the President is Commander in Chief of the military. Barr has the power to direct federal law enforcement agencies to do as he pleases.
A black man just got murdered by police who asphyxiated him during an arrest which was recorded and shown all over the world, over every medium; television, radio, podcasts, print and internet news, video streaming sites, social media, you name it. Popular TV talk shows have been almost exclusively talking about it for the past week. Coverage has now shifted to include the fallout; the civil unrest. People are protesting in the US and Minneapolis is on f--king fire.
But yeah, clearly 'awareness' is lacking, I need some asshat I went to high school with to virtue signal a little more before we all know what's going on.
The sort of people who still aren't aware by this point are not consuming digital or print media of any sort and in that case a blacked-out profile photo isn't doing a goddamn thing. It is lazy activism, it accomplishes bugger all except giving people their social media dopamine hit.
GirlySports and Iggy City nailed it, and I said it in my first post on the subject: people need to say something and DO SOMETHING when they are right there and have the ability to be an ally. A blank profile photo and a hashtag, sh-t, this might as well be Kony 2020.
Black men have been killed by cops many times before.
Clearly people are paying more attention this time and more concerned this time. You have no idea what those people will do when they see something right there in front of them.
If you want people to DO SOMETHING, be a leader and give them recommendations on what they can do beyond their black screen.
Reply to people on your social media with some links and recommendations for action that will escalate their slacktivism to something more meaningful.
People are listening, and most don't know what they can do. It's a perfect time to educate them if you really do care.
Or just keep crapping on them to release your own dopamine rush and patting yourself on the back.
The irony is thick; you couldn't have a more useless approach to actually helping.
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She is clearly, one hundred percent in the wrong but wow! These cops just have to show restraint right now. The could easily have cuffed her and arrested her without knocking her out! I generally try and defend cops and more often than not take their side as I know how stressful, difficult and crazy their job really is, but good Lord they just can't have this stuff coming up over and over again in the news with the world watching. They are not doing themselves any favours.
Expect lots of fireworks today at Ventura Blvd. Lots of rocks, bricks and weapons showing up being dropped off.
Holy crap. I'd like to know which shady organization is dropping these things off. Clearly someone is trying really hard to start a race war.
**edit** Nevermind. If you scroll through that thread, it sounds like the cages full of rocks have actually been there for at least couple of years as roadblocks in order to protect a local synagogue, and they're not related to the protests at all.
Where do you get the idea they did it just because she's white? They're all pieces of crap for beating her while she tries to protect her store from being looted but I wouldn't say their motives are racial.
She drops the n bomb at the 40 second mark and that’s when they all turn around and attack.
"Video shows that a popular barbecue shack operator fatally shot while police and National Guard soldiers were enforcing a curfew in Louisville fired a gun as officers approached his business, the city’s acting police chief said Tuesday." https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...id=mailsignout
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Al Sharpton on MSNBC right now stating he has been informed by the AG of MN that the other 3 officers in the Floyd video will be arrested and charged in the next few days.
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Holy crap. I'd like to know which shady organization is dropping these things off. Clearly someone is trying really hard to start a race war.
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