You're trivializing their effort in this and making it sound like a superficial expression of support and telling them to do better in the rest of their lives while you have no knowledge of what they actually have been doing elsewhere? Give me some lady's poetry over that argument.
I have to agree with Pepsi with this. Through social media the past several days, and seeing the posts about Calgary protests planned this week, I can't help but feel like many of these people promoting their support for the protests through Instagram stories, tweets, and whatnot, are doing so for the sake of doing it, and that makes it superficial. It's slacktivism once again.
Do they truly care about the issue enough, that they are going to actively participate in initiatives that will make systemic changes to address these long pressing problems that have yet to be resolved? Will they continue to be passionate about this months from now once the news cycle has moved on to something new? Or is this just them jumping on the bandwagon of a current trend, because they want to be seen amongst their peers in their social circle that they are progressive and care about today's issues, but not doing anything to change them?
It's nice to say you care about today issues that affecting a large community. I mean they likely do actually support the cause, otherwise they wouldn't be relaying the message. But unless you actually have skin in the game, it's hard to be emotionally invested enough to actually be a contributor in getting to the endgame of actual progress. It takes works to be involved in a cause like this on a day-to-day basis, and still want to keep going. The motivation would be easier if it directly affects you, and can change your life.
I like that many want to post their support for the black community to provide unity and strength. I would hope that some are learning of what the black community has had to go through for so long to understand why this is happening now. But it's unfortunate that it has taken this long to invoke this kinda of a reaction from those of other ethnicities.
I mean only a several months ago, Canada re-elected a prime minster who on multiple instances participated in blackface in the past. And the primary response back wasn't outrage, or demands of repercussions considering he holds the most important position in the nation. In the cities that have a high number of ethnic diversity such as Vancouver and Toronto (where majority of black people live), his party still gained a majority of the seats. Majority people essentially shrugged their shoulders and said it was in the past, isn't a big deal now.
Even though people knew racism was something that was still prevalent, it was discounted just how much of an anchor it still is for those that are oppressed by it. It was there, but not something we really wanted to address since the real ugliness of it was being hidden under the public eye for the most part. You have your few instances of a innocent black man getting killed by a cop, and people acknowledge it, but shortly moved on from the story. It took this video of a cop pulling such a heinous act of murder in such a casual manner, along with other recent events of cop on black killing that this issue appears to be getting the attention it's been deserving of for forever.
I don't know what the endgame is for these protests. Right now it's mainly frustration boiled over, and making the cries of tears and anger louder. I just hope that once this phase has passed, that the momentum for system change for racial discrimination and mistreatment carries on.
A change is gonna come. (I hope)
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Look the sad reality is regardless of the morality of this the fact that looting riot and arson is breaking out all over the states will cause massive changes to Police procedure where as peaceful civil demonstrations we have been watching for decades haven't done squat.
This is so wildly ignorant. How can you tell someone's life story by looking at a snapshot of them?
Relax. 2 younger, non-minority looking types, reducing the social injustice and systemic racism protests to the lowly lazy, donut eating cops? Not to mention the Freudian slip of using donuts as ‘bait’ as if they’re fishing for something to catch on their twitter account. Real ####ing poignant protest there guys, really captured the crux of the matter.
Sorry I take issue with the blatant mocking disrespecting of police officers as a whole. Systemically, I have no doubts the force has huge issues. I can only empathize with those who endure the life I only have presented to me through story or music or media, and I fully support the right to protest and entirely understand the rage and aggression that is being displayed.
I feel nothing but disdain for a group of brats who tries to use a tired cliche as some sort of comedy device in the face of officers. To what end? What was the message, the protest, the change, the point of their demonstration. I’ll bet everything I own that your average police officer is put in more dangerous, stressful and critical positions and part of their career than a majority of professions. And hanging a donut during a time of historically significant upheaval is not a impetus for change. It absolutely reeks of something en entitled college kid would do, thinking they’re witty but missing the entire ####ing point by a country mile.
But please, keep on fighting the good fight.
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While I don't support looting, to some extent I get it. Not the white guy who takes the opportunity to steal a Lego set (Seriously that happened ), and not every looter, but... We live in a consumerist society where to be normal is to have stuff. If you're a poor black person in America, I get that you might feel the game is so rigged against you that it's okay for you to break the rules too, and just take stuff when the opportunity arises.
It's not okay, it's still a crime, but it's very human and understandable.
If people are looting a Target or a Walmart, multi-billion dollar international corporations I just...can't bring myself to feel all that bad. Those organizations spend more in lobbying against minimum raise hikes than they're losing to looters. Small businesses? That's appalling and it should never happen. But you wanna snag a TV from Walmart? I'm pretty sure the Walton family isn't gonna notice they lost that $300.
On the nature of rioting and protesting, the nature of how looting can destroy livelihoods--what about biased policing?
How many livelihoods have been destroyed when police arrested a black man for a non-violent offence?
How many livelihoods have been destroyed because black men face greater consequences for lesser crimes?
How many livelihoods have been destroyed because a black person has a criminal record and they cannot get a job?
How many livelihoods have been destroyed because the police killed someone in cold blood?
Yes rioting and looting ruins livelihoods, but systemic racism does the exact same thing, on a far larger scale.
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I’ll bet everything I own that your average police officer is put in more dangerous, stressful and critical positions and part of their career than a majority of professions. And hanging a donut during a time of historically significant upheaval is not a impetus for change. It absolutely reeks of something en entitled college kid would do, thinking they’re witty but missing the entire ####ing point by a country mile.
According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, March 2020, Police have the 16th most dangerous profession in America. Well behind professions such as fishers, logging workers, and garbage men, and just slightly ahead of people who work in construction or maintenance and repair.
And I would argue that the other professions on that list have far less leeway with regards to misconduct.
Is that the case? I don't actually know what the ordinance requires, I just heard "curfew".
Anyway, maybe next time you could make that post while being slightly less of an #######, I wasn't saying they should have shot at them. Far from it. I was trying to answer his question about what the possible justification for doing it was.
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Wow, it's as if you guys can't simply type, "actually, that's incorrect - the curfew doesn't require you to be indoors. It only requires you to be off of the streets".
It's 930 am Sunday morning, do you always wake up like this? For ####'s sake, I stand corrected already. Yeesh.
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Wait, you're dismissing the findings of a medical examiner because he didn't find what you thought he would? That's pretty dumb. Or are you kidding? It's hard to tell.
I don't see why the ME has any reason to make #### up and risk his career in the process. Regardless, the police officers are directly responsible for his death, even if there were other contributing factors besides kneeling on him.
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Absolutely disgusting behavior by that cop. Unreal.
He will be looking for a new career real soon im guessing.After what happened to the CNN guy the other day, there is no way the mayor will tolerate this stuff.
I have to agree with Pepsi with this. Through social media the past several days, and seeing the posts about Calgary protests planned this week, I can't help but feel like many of these people promoting their support for the protests through Instagram stories, tweets, and whatnot, are doing so for the sake of doing it, and that makes it superficial. It's slacktivism once again.
Do they truly care about the issue enough, that they are going to actively participate in initiatives that will make systemic changes to address these long pressing problems that have yet to be resolved? Will they continue to be passionate about this months from now once the news cycle has moved on to something new? Or is this just them jumping on the bandwagon of a current trend, because they want to be seen amongst their peers in their social circle that they are progressive and care about today's issues, but not doing anything to change them?
It's nice to say you care about today issues that affecting a large community. I mean they likely do actually support the cause, otherwise they wouldn't be relaying the message. But unless you actually have skin in the game, it's hard to be emotionally invested enough to actually be a contributor in getting to the endgame of actual progress. It takes works to be involved in a cause like this on a day-to-day basis, and still want to keep going. The motivation would be easier if it directly affects you, and can change your life.
I like that many want to post their support for the black community to provide unity and strength. I would hope that some are learning of what the black community has had to go through for so long to understand why this is happening now. But it's unfortunate that it has taken this long to invoke this kinda of a reaction from those of other ethnicities.
I mean only a several months ago, Canada re-elected a prime minster who on multiple instances participated in blackface in the past. And the primary response back wasn't outrage, or demands of repercussions considering he holds the most important position in the nation. In the cities that have a high number of ethnic diversity such as Vancouver and Toronto (where majority of black people live), his party still gained a majority of the seats. Majority people essentially shrugged their shoulders and said it was in the past, isn't a big deal now.
Even though people knew racism was something that was still prevalent, it was discounted just how much of an anchor it still is for those that are oppressed by it. It was there, but not something we really wanted to address since the real ugliness of it was being hidden under the public eye for the most part. You have your few instances of a innocent black man getting killed by a cop, and people acknowledge it, but shortly moved on from the story. It took this video of a cop pulling such a heinous act of murder in such a casual manner, along with other recent events of cop on black killing that this issue appears to be getting the attention it's been deserving of for forever.
I don't know what the endgame is for these protests. Right now it's mainly frustration boiled over, and making the cries of tears and anger louder. I just hope that once this phase has passed, that the momentum for system change for racial discrimination and mistreatment carries on.
A change is gonna come. (I hope)
You're free to assume the worst of them, but you really don't know. It may be that they are fighting and advocating for equity in their own small ways in their spheres of influence every day. Also, what are young people who don't have any power yet supposed to do to change the system anyways? The hope is that they do learn about systemic racism and when they do grow into positions of power and influence they use what they have learned to make change. That meaningful change isn't something you always hear about. It takes place in policy meetings, daily interactions, mundane hiring decisions etc.. The people you criticize may already be influences for good in such contexts, where it does matter. If not yet, they may be on the way to that and should be encouraged to keep going.
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I was showing the fact there are good people within these groups stopping the bad ones.
Quite a leap you made there.....well done.
The guy was an instigator for sure, and needed to be stopped, but why is he automatically labelled Antifa? That guy's Twitter feed is full of it.
Did you not question your previous post that labelled black guys as thugs and mentioned the race of the women they attacked even though it's not relevant, even a little bit? Breaking911 is not an unbiased news organization and maybe even fake news.
), and not every looter, but... We live in a consumerist society where to be normal is to have stuff. If you're a poor black person in America, I get that you might feel the game is so rigged against you that it's okay for you to break the rules too, and just take stuff when the opportunity arises. 
