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Old 05-31-2020, 06:28 PM   #841
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Jesus...someone drove a truck on the a bridge full of protesters... Luckily everyone got out of the way it appears. Driver got swarmed afterward as you'd imagine and is now arrested.

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Boy, these cops just can't help but be idiotic...
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As this discussion has been going, I have started to wonder what the point of protesting is in general. The idea of a Calgary protest (some small gathering of mostly white progressive people in another country in a city most don’t really even think about) seems even a bit embarrassing to me. What’s it for? What’s the goal? Are you going as a sign of support for people in the US that will likely never see your small gathering? Is it to encourage change, and if so... how?

I get the protests the are born from a need to do something, anything, and how those spread. Are they effective? Maybe not, but I understand how they kick up in the first place for people so closely tied and emotionally linked to the situations they’re protesting. But when they jump to another country, days later, I’ve often wondered what the point of that is, because something about it seems so self serving or as a result of just something others are doing. It doesn’t feel as organic and born from the passionate need to make something known. So it feels... weird.

Anyways, as I was thinking about how useless disconnected protests seemed, I started wondering why all protests seem so ineffective. There’s been a decent amount of debate about whether violent protests or non-violent protests are more effective, but I found this article during my browsing, and the answer might be a bummer: neither is effective, and neither really has been since the 60s: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-to-protesting

In short, because protests have been largely disorganised since the 70s, there’s really been no actual path forward. People would be better served reaching out to their elected officials directly, or purposely attempting to enact change within the system.

None of this to say that people in the US shouldn’t protest, but that I hope the pressure continues in an organised fashion to make real change. Because if it’s just protesting, nothing will change, where violence is involved or not. It’s going to take individuals to actually step up and make change knowing they have all these people behind them. That’s going to be how these protests are successful, not some expectation of change from those already in power. And as for the people going to the Calgary protest tomorrow, I hope there’s more to your plan than showing up, walking, and going home. Because as good as this makes us feel, there needs to be more for any of it to matter.
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Not sure if this was posted already. But it's a weird coincidence for sure. Floyd and Chauvin worked security at the same night club up until last year...

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Hmm yes this is a very normal thing for policemen to do.

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Hmm yes this is a very normal thing for policemen to do.

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This could actually be a criminal offense. Americans are crazy about their flag.
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Hmm yes this is a very normal thing for policemen to do.

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Man. It's images like this that make me think there is no hope.

I get supporting your profession, but how insensitive and daft can you be. Seriously.

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Not sure if this was posted already. But it's a weird coincidence for sure. Floyd and Chauvin worked security at the same night club up until last year...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...lis-night-club
Yeah, this was something that was known about almost immediately and talked about at that time. Chauvin worked outside the club for 17-19 years, depending on who you ask. Floyd worked inside the club for about a year. The club owner stated that it's unlikely they had much, if any interaction.

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That’d be funnier if it looked like the people holding the donuts had risked more in their life than a student loan for a BA.
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As this discussion has been going, I have started to wonder what the point of protesting is in general. The idea of a Calgary protest (some small gathering of mostly white progressive people in another country in a city most don’t really even think about) seems even a bit embarrassing to me. What’s it for? What’s the goal? Are you going as a sign of support for people in the US that will likely never see your small gathering? Is it to encourage change, and if so... how?

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Anyways, as I was thinking about how useless disconnected protests seemed, I started wondering why all protests seem so ineffective. There’s been a decent amount of debate about whether violent protests or non-violent protests are more effective, but I found this article during my browsing, and the answer might be a bummer: neither is effective, and neither really has been since the 60s: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-to-protesting

In short, because protests have been largely disorganised since the 70s, there’s really been no actual path forward. People would be better served reaching out to their elected officials directly, or purposely attempting to enact change within the system.

None of this to say that people in the US shouldn’t protest, but that I hope the pressure continues in an organised fashion to make real change. Because if it’s just protesting, nothing will change, where violence is involved or not. It’s going to take individuals to actually step up and make change knowing they have all these people behind them. That’s going to be how these protests are successful, not some expectation of change from those already in power. And as for the people going to the Calgary protest tomorrow, I hope there’s more to your plan than showing up, walking, and going home. Because as good as this makes us feel, there needs to be more for any of it to matter.
I watched interviews with some organizers and attendees in Calgary. The people they chose to air seemed completely disconnected from reality. There was a sense of self satisfaction in their words. Almost smug in their moral superiority. There was exactly zero talk of our problems, how they relate to Floyd and what possible solutions they’re looking to see.
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You mean white?
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This is so wildly ignorant. How can you tell someone's life story by looking at a snapshot of them?
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I'm choosing to attend the protest tomorrow because I'm disgusted by what I've seen over the last week and I want to support a bunch of my POC friends who have had difficult weeks and who are also going to the protests. That's my motivation. I want to find other ways to support the movement, too, but I'm not entirely sure how. I haven't seen any of the videos that Cecil has mentioned.
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I'm choosing to attend the protest tomorrow because I'm disgusted by what I've seen over the last week and I want to support a bunch of my POC friends who have had difficult weeks and who are also going to the protests. That's my motivation. I want to find other ways to support the movement, too, but I'm not entirely sure how. I haven't seen any of the videos that Cecil has mentioned.
I’m not sure if what’s going on tomorrow was related to today. I’m all for showing support. But if you get interviews, try not to smell your own farts while on camera .


CNN is doing a timeline of the dozens of brazen murders of innocent black men by white police officers. It’s ####ed up. I’ve actually combined some of these events in my mind. That’s how common it is.
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Two of the officers in Atlanta who tased and pulled those two black kids out of their car last night have been fired.

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Two Atlanta police officers who tased and pulled two Atlanta University Center students from a car on Saturday night have been terminated.

Three other officers were placed on desk duty pending further investigation. Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms made the announcement during a press conference on Sunday.

"After review of that footage, Chief Shields and I have made the determination that two of the officers involved in the incident last night will be terminated immediately. The other three officers are, right now, on desk duty pending further determination of what, if any, appropriate disciplinary action should be taken against them," the mayor said.
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The couple was leaving the protest at Atlanta's Centennial Olympic Park in their car at the time. The video shows police smashing the driver's side window, opening the passenger side door, and tasing the couple before pulling them from the vehicle. It is unclear what led to the arrests.

Pilgrim was detained and later released at the scene without charges. Young was taken to Grady hospital and released Sunday morning. Young was initially charged with fleeing the scene and driving with an expired license, but those charges were later dropped.
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Oh don’t worry, their union will fight the charges and they’ll be reinstated w/ back pay in no time. In the end this will have been a pointless PR stunt.

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