The Democratic Presidential Nomination 2020

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

You guys do realize you sound exactly like the Tea Party, right?

I mean, the Tea Party is more or less the guys in charge now, though they effectively "re-branded".

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

His supporters aren't flocking out now, So the issue is that either his supporters no longer believe he's the face of "Progressive Politics", or they don't believe that he can beat Trump so they've disengaged.

I think the third option, that they feel Bernie was being suppressed by the DNC and complicit media, is also equally likely.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

His supporters aren't flocking out now, So the issue is that either his supporters no longer believe he's the face of "Progressive Politics", or they don't believe that he can beat Trump so they've disengaged.

Yeah I could see that. I think it may have to do with them believing the cats already in the bag, they dont need to show up. Kinda like 2016.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

You guys do realize you sound exactly like the Tea Party, right?

The tea party are desperate because they can sense the early crumbling's of white supremacy. They are a white nationalist movement at the core of things behind their see through façade.

True social democracy hasn't even had it's time in the sun in America yet. The poorer the middle class gets the bigger the progressive movement is gonna get. USA is set up to suck the wealth up to the top. It's gonna get bigger and more radical the more the right and center try to stifle it. It's just how it is.

[Domoic]

If I use this poll as a proxy for who Canadians (or maybe just Albertans) want as the next POTUS, why is it Sanders?

Real question.

And I get any "better than Trump" arguments, but is there a belief that a Sanders presidency would be more beneficial for Canada/Alberta than say, Biden?

Thanks.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Domoic

If I use this poll as a proxy for who Canadians (or maybe just Albertans) want as the next POTUS, why is it Sanders?

Real question.

And I get any "better than Trump" arguments, but is there a belief that a Sanders presidency would be more beneficial for Canada/Alberta than say, Biden?

Thanks.

That wasn’t the point of the poll

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I think the third option, that they feel Bernie was being suppressed by the DNC and complicit media, is also equally likely.

Wait, what? I thought that was their rallying cry?

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Domoic

If I use this poll as a proxy for who Canadians (or maybe just Albertans) want as the next POTUS, why is it Sanders?

Real question.

And I get any "better than Trump" arguments, but is there a belief that a Sanders presidency would be more beneficial for Canada/Alberta than say, Biden?

Thanks.

I don't really care if it benefits Canada in a financial bottom line sense. A strong fair democracy and more equal society will have a bigger impact.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I mean, the Tea Party is more or less the guys in charge now, though they effectively "re-branded".

They re-branded behind a guy who turned out to be the antithesis of their movement of fiscal conservatism. The guy in power has no real power to accomplish anything another than abusing his executive power to disrupt and break things. And they've done a pretty good job of primary-ing out viable Republican candidates from key senate and house races and replacing them with losing Tea Party Candidates.

If your idea is winning is just disrupting and triggering the other side, while not accomplishing anything, count that as a big reason a lot of people want to have nothing to do with this revolution.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

I mean, I’m younger than you and there’s no way I’d vote for Bernie. Heavy sympathizing with straight up communist regimes like the USSR and Cuba as shown in all these video and audio clips would be a top 5 reason I’d vote for basically anyone but him.

I thought you guys were supposed to be all about your understanding of "NUANCE".

[Domoic]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

That wasn’t the point of the poll

I didn't say it was.

But thanks for reply.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

They re-branded behind a guy who turned out to be the antithesis of their movement of fiscal conservatism. The guy in power has no real power to accomplish anything another than abusing his executive power to disrupt and break things. And they've done a pretty good job of primary-ing out viable Republican candidates from key senate and house races and replacing them with losing Tea Party Candidates.

If your idea is winning is just disrupting and triggering the other side, while not accomplishing anything, count that as a big reason a lot of people want to have nothing to do with this revolution.

Presidency first, courts and legislature next. Then the changes will start to happen. They can't block change forever.

[rubecube]

I love the narrative that Sanders couldn't get the voter turnout he needed once the moderates coalesced behind one candidate, which completely ignores the fact that Warren played spoiler yesterday by not dropping out.

If Bernie grabbed even a 1/3 of Warren's votes, we're likely having a much different conversation this morning.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Bernie playing the game, embracing the establishment.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1235207816899465216

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I love the narrative that Sanders couldn't get the voter turnout he needed once the moderates coalesced behind one candidate, which completely ignores the fact that Warren played spoiler yesterday by not dropping out.

If Bernie grabbed even a 1/3 of Warren's votes, we're likely having a much different conversation this morning.

Where did Bernie+Warren beat Biden+Bloomberg yesterday?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I love the narrative that Sanders couldn't get the voter turnout he needed once the moderates coalesced behind one candidate, which completely ignores the fact that Warren played spoiler yesterday by not dropping out.

If Bernie grabbed even a 1/3 of Warren's votes, we're likely having a much different conversation this morning.

Maybe but he has no path to 1,991, even in a straight head to head with Biden. There just arent enough progessives yet.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I am not a Bernie fan, but as the good senator points out above, Sanders is no dummy. He will play the game and provide at least a more centrist image in the coming months. The Dems can make it work (whether they will, is another question).

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I mean there's a move to push out a lot of dead weight centrist Dems in Congress right now for this very reason.

It's those 'dead weight centrist Dems in Congress' who won back the House in 2018, delivering almost all of the red-to-blue flips, including several in key swing states. And they won in just the kind of suburban districts that are backing Biden. If you think pushing moderates out of those districts will mean more progressive Democrats in the House, rather than more Republicans, you're delusional.

https://www.thirdway.org/one-pager/t...ocrats-in-2020

[icecube]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

You guys do realize you sound exactly like the Tea Party, right?

[peter12]

Great work to the Biden campaign. Kind of sucks when the outsider candidate can't figure out why they are the outsider until it is too late. Oh well, Sanders will scupper the party's chances by keeping them at each other's throats until the last minute