The Democratic Presidential Nomination 2020

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Anyways, congrats to the Democrats on securing another four years of opposition status. You did it, guys! Your corporate overlords must be just giddy right now.

I don't think Biden is a very strong candidate but there isn't a lot of evidence to suggest Bernie would fare better than him against Trump. In fact, the national polling suggests the opposite at the moment. Bernie's claims that he can mobilize new voters just haven't come to fruition in a material way in the primaries.

Perhaps the results tonight, and Bernie's general inability to broaden his support beyond his fanatical base, indicate that most people don't want him to be President?

[CaptainCrunch]

I just don't understand how Sander's handlers believe his strategy is going to get him anywhere near the White House. For the most part the middle class moderates who want to get rid of Trump aren't going to vote for Bernie, and that's still the majority of the voting base down there.


I've said before that for the most part the votes are set in the election as per the Pub's and Dems and its the narrow band in the middle, the ones that are not the ones that vote without a good reason, the ones that have a million varied needs, its tough water to navigate.


The votes that Bernie needs, he's not going to get in enough numbers to make a difference. We can see that the Democratic voters are now orbiting around what they perceive is the safest bet to defeat Trump.



I just have a gut feeling that we're going to see another 4 year errr adventure of Trump.

[flylock shox]

If it ends up being Biden (and it will end up being Biden), I hope the Democrats pour their money into ads promoting him, keep him mostly on teleprompter, and limit his participation in debates and unscripted interviews and the like.



He's not a strong performer in debates and unscripted settings, so the less of that the better.



I also hope he and Bernie spend some time saying nice things about each other. They can't afford any fragmentation between the establishment and the party's left leaners.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by peter12

Yeah it's that one.

Good one coming from the biggest troll in the off topic forum! Well at least i don't post 1000 times a day on here..
Is Biden smarter than everyone in this thread?

[Snuffleupagus]

Elizabeth Warren crushed in her home state, Bloomberg with no chance and Putins Gabbard being the piss ant officially make this a 2 horse race of senior citizens for the dems and the presidency come November.

Biden already has the black vote (tonight really proved this) If he can get Sanders Latino votes in November and the youth come out to vote I think he'll slap Trump silly.

[Thor]

I think Biden's gaffes and his odd behavior will ultimately be his downfall. I really hoped to at least try to see how Sanders would do against Trump as my curiosity for that is endless but to end up with Biden is disappointing, maybe if he chooses an exciting VP it could give his campaign energy but I'm doubting that.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Thor

I think Biden's gaffes and his odd behavior will ultimately be his downfall. I really hoped to at least try to see how Sanders would do against Trump as my curiosity for that is endless but to end up with Biden is disappointing, maybe if he chooses an exciting VP it could give his campaign energy but I'm doubting that.

Among many other ######ed things, Trump didn't even know what state Kansas City was is after they won the Superbowl, Biden's memory gaffes don't add up to the total stupidity of Trump

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Who is this puppet master telling people how to vote in primaries? Just curious.

You do know there were major media networks openly advocating for Biden over Bernie, right? The American political system is a money making, rigged **** show.

The only two things that matter down there are that the bizarrely never ending election cycle dominates national conversation and news, and that establishment candidates keep the money flowing the right directions in the white house.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Among many other ######ed things, Trump didn't even know what state Kansas City was is after they won the Superbowl, Biden's memory gaffes don't add up to the total stupidity of Trump

Biden won't have to have an equal or greater than number of gaffes to Trump to lose the election, he just has to have enough to be successfully attacked by Republicans.

Not saying that is a forgone conclusion, he may still win with enough turnout. But Trump supporters are historically voting stronger based on "gaffs" and "stupidity" being pointed out.

Will democratic voters do the same?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Can any Bernie supporter honestly look at Bernie's numbers right now and actually make a serious argument that he would be any more of a favorite to win than Biden? The argument I guess is basically young people reeeeeally love Bernie, but is that seriously a strategy anyone wants to bet on? Let's ride the young vote to winning? Because we all know that's about the last strategy you want to rely on, and this primary cycle is showing that once again is not a great path.

So far anyways it seems like Bernie hasn't really expanded his base from 2016, and there's actually a good argument it's contracted a bit. I think the white working class voters he had in 2016 might be permanently gone to MAGA and even if he is the nominee in November those voters aren't coming back. Thinking he can flip some magic switch to bring them back into the fold likewise seems a foolish strategy to rely on, they can get their anti-establishment anger with Trump, with an added dose of racism and a pinch of conspiracy theories to boot. Not sure what Bernie offers that can top that.

There's really no doubt that Biden isn't a great candidate, but if Bernie is such a great candidate then why have his numbers stalled in this cycle? Perhaps not having someone as awful as Hillary to run against is hurting, or maybe Bernie's support is a lot more capped than his supporters believe. That as much as Bernie supporters think the path to winning is by winning back working class whites or having an unprecedented youth turnout, that the actually path to winning is probably more than likely about winning those suburban voters the GOP is abandoning to cater to the white working class.

Either way this has been a pretty insane last 7 days. Biden was dead, he was 10-1 to be the nominee in a lot of betting markets a week ago, and now he's once again a pretty solid favorite.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Super Tuesday went as expected. Game on. Biden-Klobuchar probably the ticket.

[AltaGuy]

Don't like the media shill involvement, but Bernie needed better ground game anyway, and needed to produce the young votes.

Still time for Bernie to pivot to attacking Biden as Hillary 2.0.

I find it really interesting that Trump has been solely attacking Biden as the presumptive nominee for better than two years - even got impeached over it - and it looks like that will come true.

GOP have excellent forecasters.

[EldrickOnIce]

Looking forward to many more top headlines like these over the next few months

Democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden accidentally mixed up his sister and his wife during the opening remarks of his Super Tuesday speech.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The only people who give a #### about stuff like that are boomers who aren't going to vote for him anyways.

Yeah, who needs Boomers and soccer moms when you have the support of a demographic that doesn't actually vote.

Originally Posted by rubecube

Anyways, congrats to the Democrats on securing another four years of opposition status. You did it, guys! Your corporate overlords must be just giddy right now.

Mocking and vilifying everyone who supports other candidates is a baffling strategy in a party that's essentially a coalition. It seems we've just seen the ceiling of a movement that regards compromise and cooperation as contemptible.

Sanders didn't even reach out to black Democrat members of congress in states like North Carolina when he was campaigning. I guess he regarded them as part of the hated establishment. Is it any surprise he got smoked by Biden among black voters (and suburban women, and voters over 44)? I guess they're all just establishment dupes of the corporate machine, man.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Sanders didn't even reach out to black Democrat members of congress in states like North Carolina when he was campaigning. I guess he regarded them as part of the hated establishment. Is it any surprise he got smoked by Biden among black voters (and suburban women, and voters over 44)? I guess they're all just establishment dupes of the corporate machine, man.

I like how you pretend it's dishonorable that a candidate decided to run on the strength of their platform, track record and convictions instead of schmoozing and pandering.

Remember that next time you complain about a politician.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You do know there were major media networks openly advocating for Biden over Bernie, right? The American political system is a money making, rigged **** show.

The only two things that matter down there are that the bizarrely never ending election cycle dominates national conversation and news, and that establishment candidates keep the money flowing the right directions in the white house.

Biden spent no money on Super Tuesday because he had none. A week ago, the media had completely written off Biden. Yeah, Biden got a lot of hype from the SC win, but that was the result of a much bigger than expected win. It was a legitimate story.

Bernie's numbers were soft compared to 2016. They only looked good because he was running against 4 moderates splitting their votes. Every time the media would try to point out that winning at 33% against 60% voting for moderates is probably not good enough for Bernie, the Bernie supporters would freak out with their "bias" cries. All that happened was the moderate candidate emerged and as expected Bernie didn't move off of his 30-40% support.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I just don't understand how Sander's handlers believe his strategy is going to get him anywhere near the White House. For the most part the middle class moderates who want to get rid of Trump aren't going to vote for Bernie, and that's still the majority of the voting base down there.


I've said before that for the most part the votes are set in the election as per the Pub's and Dems and its the narrow band in the middle, the ones that are not the ones that vote without a good reason, the ones that have a million varied needs, its tough water to navigate.


The votes that Bernie needs, he's not going to get in enough numbers to make a difference. We can see that the Democratic voters are now orbiting around what they perceive is the safest bet to defeat Trump.



I just have a gut feeling that we're going to see another 4 year errr adventure of Trump.

Some political research this there is no middle anymore you have Democrat’s and republicans and activating your base is far more important than an impossibly small group of swing voters. If there are only 5% independents and you can get them to show up and break 60-40 for you you gain 1 point. Or you can spend that money trying to increase your turnout in critical states by 2%.

[GirlySports]

So what now? Should Bernie drop out and end this or should he attack Biden for one last stand?

It's too bad I wanted to see the networks go for Trump against Bernie.

[calgarygeologist]

Biden still has a lot of work to do. This week has been great for him but this is not won and done yet. Basically this race is mid way through the second period and Biden has a one goal lead. I'd like to Warren and Bloomberg get out now to let Bernie and Biden fight it out. I believe there is a debate tonight and it would be great for it to be one on one. I'm not sure Biden is ready for that. Bernie's success is largely rooted in the efforts of his team and grass roots movements while Biden is being promoted largely by the major news networks and the establishment. Just watch the circle jerk that is MSNBC over the last week. Those guys are 100 times worse than the Oilers media with McDavid.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by GGG

Some political research this there is no middle anymore you have Democrat’s and republicans and activating your base is far more important than an impossibly small group of swing voters. If there are only 5% independents and you can get them to show up and break 60-40 for you you gain 1 point. Or you can spend that money trying to increase your turnout in critical states by 2%.

That assumes that Bernie Sanders appeals the base. If he can't approach 50% of the vote, I don't think that he represents the base.