[PGT] Bolts 4 Flames 3

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Wow, imagine that, a team letting themselves be bad instead of moving a ####load of draft picks to 'make a run' at 10th place.

There are 7 rounds in a draft. Over a 10 year period if you kept all your own picks, you'd make 70 selections.

Guess how many Tampa has made in the last 10?

81

In that span they've been contending, with 3 conference finals appearances and a trip to the cup final

Guess how many draft picks the flames have made?

67

In that span they've made the second round 1 time

I WONDER IF THAT IS A CONCIDENCE

What if, and this is probably a crazy theory, but what if the success tampa has had is because they are a well run organization and the lack of success the flames have had is because they are a very badly run organization?

Someone has been day drinking. If we kept the picks we would not have Elliott, Smith, lazar and Hamonic (let alone Stone and Fattenberg). Do you want to live in that world?

The frightening thing is that when the Sens likely hit on their picks this year they will probably be in a position by 2023 to say that they have made multiple deep runs over the past 6 years and everyone seems to think they are a dumpster fire. They already have a complete stud dman and one pretty good forward to build around. They are going to get 3-4 more pieces this summer at the draft in all likelihood. I suspect they will be another example of why you build through the draft, especially when you are a small market Canadian team.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by AC

Agreed. It's the same as criticizing Treliving for not landing a UFA or trading for a player that has a NTC without knowing if coming to Calgary is a non-starter. Unfortunately Calgary simply isn't a highly desirable location.

If the coaches don't want to sign in Calgary, that's fair. My issue is, Treliving didn't even look at anyone besides Peters last time. He didn't even attempt to interview another coach.

That's totally different to me.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A. That’s a super generous interpretation of what Bennett did (for no real reason).

B. I never said anything about young Dube. When there’s some huge demand for Dube to play centre let me know.

I wasn't referring to you specifically, just the general consensus.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Sorry ...maybe I meant the third one when he got beat post and in from outside home plate.

It was saveable, but I wouldn't call it a softy. The Bolts player was coming in with speed on his offwing on an odd man rush, with the other bolts player crashing the net hard.

I though Vasilevskiy gave up two worse goals. We didn't lose yesterday because we had the worse goalie. We lost because the better team won.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

They have the 4th from buffalo. Forbort is next year's 4th.

Extending Gustafsson who isn't old and can help their offence at D justifies the 3rd IMO. I didn't mind that move. And if Neal draws back in for enough games...

They could've done a lot worse in terms of spending assets. It didn't gut them.

Maybe they can move one of the UFA dmen for a pick for early negotiation rights, like what the Flames did for Wideman.

Yeah I wouldn't even call them depth as much as needed with the injuries, especially with Mangiapane coming on and filling the hole up front.

They basically air mailed in a bottom third league second pairing to be a third pairing, patched the hole with Hamonic gone long term, and added a PK and PP guy to take some minutes off of Giordano as he tries to get up to speed.

The could have just sold, but if they wanted to help their playoff chances the moves were pretty smart in my mind.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Someone has been day drinking. If we kept the picks we would not have Elliott, Smith, lazar and Hamonic (let alone Stone and Fattenberg). Do you want to live in that world?

The frightening thing is that when the Sens likely hit on their picks this year they will probably be in a position by 2023 to say that they have made multiple deep runs over the past 6 years and everyone seems to think they are a dumpster fire. They already have a complete stud dman and one pretty good forward to build around. They are going to get 3-4 more pieces this summer at the draft in all likelihood. I suspect they will be another example of why you build through the draft, especially when you are a small market Canadian team.

Which team makes a conference finals appearance first, the Flames or the Kings?

Flames or the Sens?

Flames or the Rangers?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Which team makes a conference finals appearance first, the Flames or the Kings?

Flames or the Sens?

Flames or the Rangers?

Impossible to predict but the Kings and Sens have a LOT of work to do - both organizations lack top end talent.
The Sens in particular have Chabot and not much else, including in their prospect base. They have a deep prospect pool, but there's not a lot of top line potential there. They should get at least two good pieces this year, but they have long-term gaps basically across their roster.
Same with the Kings.

I like how the Rangers are positioned, particularly because they have high end talent in all positions, and the advantage of being in a market that seems like is attractive to talent.

I know your narrative is that they need to engage in a complete re-build but I don't see it. They have a lot of pieces in place already.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah I wouldn't even call them depth as much as needed with the injuries, especially with Mangiapane coming on and filling the hole up front.

They basically air mailed in a bottom third league second pairing to be a third pairing, patched the hole with Hamonic gone long term, and added a PK and PP guy to take some minutes off of Giordano as he tries to get up to speed.

The could have just sold, but if they wanted to help their playoff chances the moves were pretty smart in my mind.

Yeah, it was a decent TDL for them given current needs as well as future.

Just wish they weren't so negligent when it came to the coaching side of things.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I wasn't referring to you specifically, just the general consensus.

OK, but still, who has been calling for Dube to get a bigger role (be it moving to C or up a line),

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Impossible to predict but the Kings and Sens have a LOT of work to do - both organizations lack top end talent.
The Sens in particular have Chabot and not much else, including in their prospect base. They have a deep prospect pool, but there's not a lot of top line potential there. They should get at least two good pieces this year, but they have long-term gaps basically across their roster.
Same with the Kings.

I like how the Rangers are positioned, particularly because they have high end talent in all positions, and the advantage of being in a market that seems like is attractive to talent.

I know your narrative is that they need to engage in a complete re-build but I don't see it. They have a lot of pieces in place already.

Is valimaki a top end talent in your opinion?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

OK, but still, who has been calling for Dube to get a bigger role (be it moving to C or up a line),

I think if Dube were 262W - 222L (54.1%) on the faceoff dot the past three seasons, and not 16W - 26L(38.1%), most of us would absolutely be clamoring for Dube to get a chance to center a line. It would be in the team's best interest given how underwhelming and unorthodox two of our regular centers are.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Is valimaki a top end talent in your opinion?

Don’t know. I suspect his ceiling is a number two or three

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Don’t know. I suspect his ceiling is a number two or three

I'm just going with a thought experiment here.

I admittedly don't know much or care much about prospects in a system, but in my mind if Valimaki is a top end talent then Brannstrom should be seen that way as well.

Gabe Vilardi has 3 points in 5 games as a 6'3 20 year old centre...

I think to say they are missing top end pieces something you could probably say about just about every team, because who knows how it ends up. Turcotte could be a Bennett, could be a Monahan, could be a Tkachuk. I'm willing to bet though that as a top 5 pick he's probably a top end talent.

It would be fun to revisit this in 2 or 3 years.