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[rooster]

Originally Posted by Buff

I'm not sure if anybody has mentioned it yet, but why doesn't Ward use his timeouts? Should he not have used a timeout to keep his bestest players on the ice with less than a minute left and only one goal is needed to tie it up? Mind bottling.

He is too busy staring at that F&^%$# video screen in the floor!!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The breakaway where the guy had time to deke around Rittich without a checker in his vicinity?

Sorry ...maybe I meant the third one when he got beat post and in from outside home plate.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Rittich ...

- now ranked 39th in GSAA and slipping
- since Jan 1 he's 56th out of 63 goalies that have played 250 minutes

This really elaborates that Talbot needs to be given more of a opportunity to become the primary starter. Rittich simply isn't fulfilling that role anymore.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Rittich ...

- now ranked 39th in GSAA and slipping
- since Jan 1 he's 56th out of 63 goalies that have played 250 minutes

That's some sobering evidence that Treliving still has his work cut out for him in the offseason. Goaltending simply isn't good enough.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by skcli

Brad Tre, look at Tempa and you learn how to build a winning team. By the way, spend some money to get a top 6 winger. Your current first line is not going to cut it.

I do like the speed that Tampa Bay has developed in there players...Tampa learned to build a winning team by drafting 1 st overall like 3 times in the last 20 years...if they don't win those lotteries...they are not the "winning team" you have described... IMO

[Flame On]

Nice to see some data behind the goalie slide, to hold up to the knee-jerk "its not the goalie's fault" points. Of course it's a team game but we'e seeing a pattern where Rittich is not a difference maker in terms of team wins, and is at least helping with team losses.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's some sobering evidence that Treliving still has his work cut out for him in the offseason. Goaltending simply isn't good enough.

Yup and adds a new wrinkle to the whole Johnny/Hall things.
Can you afford a new goalie + Johnny
Can you afford a new goalie + Hall if you trade Johnny
Do you use Johnny to trade for a proper #1.

Big decisions ahead.

[Bingo]

Flames are 14th in team save percentage on the season.

21st in team save percentage since January 1st.

But that's not all on goaltending the team since January 1st is ...

17th in xGA/60
21st in SCA/60

They are 12th in HDCA/60, so they've limited the high danger stuff to a large degree.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's some sobering evidence that Treliving still has his work cut out for him in the offseason. Goaltending simply isn't good enough.

LOVE Rittich, but man, you had a chance to grab Lehner last year and missed, don't lose that opportunity again.

[Coach]

The only rationale I can come up with for forgoing the timeout is that Ward did want Tampa to be able rest their top PK unit. It's still dumb and shows fear of the competition vs trusting your team to close it out. We have multiple players with a history of late, clutch goals. Monahan, Tkachuk, Giordano and Gaudreau have all had golden times in the dying minutes of games. And especially with Gaudreau basically begging to stay on after having full sustained pressure like that. Yeah I don't know. Bad move. It feels like I've said this before. Did Gulutzan do this exact same thing once?

I think bringing Laviolette in would light a fire under Gaudreau. He was the coach of what were likely his favorite Flyers teams.

[Bingo]

I just hope the fan base this summer doesn't jump to the conclusion that any coach not hired was a possibility.

I think some are ear marked for specific markets (Gallant), and others have hinted that North of the border is no go.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yup and adds a new wrinkle to the whole Johnny/Hall things.
Can you afford a new goalie + Johnny
Can you afford a new goalie + Hall if you trade Johnny
Do you use Johnny to trade for a proper #1.

Big decisions ahead.

I'm all aboard the Markstrom train if the Canucks are foolish enough to let him hit free agency. It seems Flames defenses rarely ever live up to their billing so I would rather solidify goaltending than shuffle the deck chairs on defense and go with the same goaltenders. The exact same defensive group they have today (minus Brodie, plus Valimaki) in front of Markstrom would be better than overpaying a guy like Barrie and praying that Rittich will have a season where he doesn't melt down in the 2nd half.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just hope the fan base this summer doesn't jump to the conclusion that any coach not hired was a possibility.

I think some are ear marked for specific markets (Gallant), and others have hinted that North of the border is no go.

Yep. Laviolette likely won't be coming to Calgary and while that sucks, it's not the organization's fault as you can't force an American to move to Canada.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just hope the fan base this summer doesn't jump to the conclusion that any coach not hired was a possibility.

I think some are ear marked for specific markets (Gallant), and others have hinted that North of the border is no go.

Agreed. It's the same as criticizing Treliving for not landing a UFA or trading for a player that has a NTC without knowing if coming to Calgary is a non-starter. Unfortunately Calgary simply isn't a highly desirable location.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by browntrout

I do like the speed that Tampa Bay has developed in there players...Tampa learned to build a winning team by drafting 1 st overall like 3 times in the last 20 years...if they don't win those lotteries...they are not the "winning team" you have described... IMO

Wow, imagine that, a team letting themselves be bad instead of moving a ####load of draft picks to 'make a run' at 10th place.

There are 7 rounds in a draft. Over a 10 year period if you kept all your own picks, you'd make 70 selections.

Guess how many Tampa has made in the last 10?

81

In that span they've been contending, with 3 conference finals appearances and a trip to the cup final

Guess how many draft picks the flames have made?

67

In that span they've made the second round 1 time

I WONDER IF THAT IS A CONCIDENCE

What if, and this is probably a crazy theory, but what if the success tampa has had is because they are a well run organization and the lack of success the flames have had is because they are a very badly run organization?

[Erick Estrada]

The Flames have traded away way too many draft picks over the years. Even this deadline Treliving casually traded away their 3rd and 4th round picks for depth players. That all adds up over time especially after the crippling trade for Hamonic that cost the Flames a lot in draft capital. As the days and weeks go by, the more I tire of the current GM's growing pile of mistakes.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Flames have traded away way too many draft picks over the years. Even this deadline Treliving casually traded away their 3rd and 4th round picks for depth players. That all adds up over time especially after the crippling trade for Hamonic that cost the Flames a lot in draft capital. As the days and weeks go by, the more I tire of the current GM's growing pile of mistakes.

They have the 4th from buffalo. Forbort is next year's 4th.

Extending Gustafsson who isn't old and can help their offence at D justifies the 3rd IMO. I didn't mind that move. And if Neal draws back in for enough games...

They could've done a lot worse in terms of spending assets. It didn't gut them.

Maybe they can move one of the UFA dmen for a pick for early negotiation rights, like what the Flames did for Wideman.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

They have the 4th from buffalo. Forbort is next year's 4th.

Extending Gustafsson who isn't old and can help their offence at D justifies the 3rd IMO. I didn't mind that move. And if Neal draws back in for enough games...

They could've done a lot worse in terms of spending assets. It didn't gut them.

Maybe they can move one of the UFA dmen for a pick for early negotiation rights, like what the Flames did for Wideman.

I don't mind kicking the tires on Gustafsson because they need a powerplay QB bad. I imagine that he will be doing just that at the deadline for Brodie and maybe Hamonic (I hope).

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

They have the 4th from buffalo. Forbort is next year's 4th.

Extending Gustafsson who isn't old and can help their offence at D justifies the 3rd IMO. I didn't mind that move. And if Neal draws back in for enough games...

They could've done a lot worse in terms of spending assets. It didn't gut them.

Maybe they can move one of the UFA dmen for a pick for early negotiation rights, like what the Flames did for Wideman.

Those moves can be defended in isolation, I agree. It’s the totality over the years of resorting to using your draft picks as currency to trade for middle or bottom of the roster players.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Joborule

This really elaborates that Talbot needs to be given more of a opportunity to become the primary starter. Rittich simply isn't fulfilling that role anymore.

Rittich was excellent in the first half both last year and this year before slowly dropping off.

Tells me he's a great 1B being used like a starter. Has some elite ability but doesn't yet have the longevity to handle a starter workload.

Can he turn a corner in the final 6 weeks and show he's taken a step beyond that? Sure but until then that's where hes at.