[PGT] Flames HabNoted 4-3 OT loss

[JJolg]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Let’s just look at this with a hair of logic

What percent of the net does a goalie cover? Obviously it depends on shooter position, goalie position, etc. What do you think, say 85 percent?

When a shot is taken, how long does it take to get to the net?

How far out was Domi? 30 feet?
How fast do you think his shot was? Safe to say 80 mph
1 mph = 1.467 FPS
80 mph = 117.36 feet per second

So the puck was off Domi’s stick and reached the net in about a quarter of a second

How quickly neurons move information is the speed of neural transmission
Some experiments have documented typical human reaction time to visual stimulus as ~0.25 seconds

The whole point is that a goalie covers a certain percentage of the net. When the shot is taken, it has a certain likelihood of hitting the goalie

If the distance is short enough and velocity is high enough, the goalie’s reaction to the shot is immaterial. The only variable he has is his positioning.

If he covers 85 percent of the net, over time, 15 percent of such shots go in.

Long story short, Domi blew a perfectly placed shot past Rittich

Proud goalie thinks he should have had it. Science doesn’t agree as much as the CP naysayers.

Things have hit a low when we are using science to justify a poor goalie performance.

[zamler]

Well we gave up 40 shots and way too many quality chances in general. This game was more than winnable even with average goaltending.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Price let in zero bad goals...he robbed Tkachuk and the Flames of a 3-0 lead and shorty after Rittich let in a shot from the corner

On this night he was certainly the 2nd best goalie on the ice

I never said Rittich didn’t let in a bad goal. Didn’t like the first one at all. Nobody did.

If people are calling any of Rittich’s other goals bad, then how do they classify Kylington’s on Price?

Rittich made more saves, in my view made the better saves, and also let in the worst goal.

Still stopped 39 of 43. Not too bad.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by JJolg

Things have hit a low when we are using science to justify a poor goalie performance.

Lol, science is complicated for some people

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Lol, science is complicated for some people

no need for excuses...Rittich isn't making any

Habs had nothing going until they scored from the corner, turned the entire game

he blew it, he has stole some also, move on


Maybe its not fair but this is the NHL...guy is expected to make saves its his job

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

no need for excuses...Rittich isn't making any

Habs had nothing going until they scored from the corner, turned the entire game

he blew it, he has stole some also, move on


Maybe its not fair but this is the NHL...guy is expected to make saves its his job

Sure, like lots of people here, he is a stand up guy. A proud guy. A good guy.

Doesn’t mean his feelings are actually supported by facts.

[3rd liner]

Of course, punk Domi scores. And the Doughty-esque celebration. Inevitable that the most disliked player in the other team scores on the flames . Looks like the b*st*rd son of tie domi and John C Reilly in that interview. Domi is easily the obnoxious guy at the party you’d want to punch in the face immediately.

[djsFlames]

Was actually surprised to see they allowed the Habs to put up four on them. At home especially. That team is not very good and shouldn't be able to put 40+ shots on your goalie. Guys will have figure out how to stop this zig zag streaking they're doing. Aim to win 2 of every 3, without extended skids. It's a sign of a good team to stop the bleeding fast.

[Brodieyouevenlift]

What is everyone's realistic expectation for the next few years? Is anyone genuinely anticipating a parade? Or the signature Calgary Flames brand of perpetual mediocrity?

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

I know Brian Burke has advocated for a shot clock in overtime. And it has never been more apparent then that ot. Montreal had possession for 2 minutes just passing the puck back and forth with no real intention of doing anything. That should be or change in possession or even a delay of game penalty.

I also didn't realize what a bunch of rats the Canadiens were. Glad that team will likely miss the playoffs in the east.

I don't like the idea of a shot clock myself....I feel like that will just cause the 3 on 3 OT to become defensive

Forgive me if this isn't a new idea, but I haven't seen or heard anyone talk about it yet......

What about an Over and Back rule similar to Basketball?

Once the offensive zone has been gained the offensive team cannot retreat behind the center ice line. If they do then its a faceoff in their defensive end.

[calgarygringo]

This is just an OK mediocre team and people have to shake their heads and understand that. We have no Connors or Leons or Nathans on this team. Our top guns are barely first liners if that on the top teams.
Goal tending is also mediocre. Rittich id just OK but he doesn't steal games like a top goalie. I would also be concerned with his workload which everyone talks about as that may not be helping either. Besides the amount of minutes he is dealing with a high amount of pucks at the same time so he is not just standing around.
Our defence is not the best either.
Put all this together and you have an OK team that may make the playoffs if lucky but doubt they will get past thevfirst round.
Tre has lots of work do do to make this into a top team and he also has cap issues so is hands tied as well. Unless much changes we will have to wait until we lose a few players and or their contracts first and then hope Tre can either steal a few big guns or find a few young kids coming up that are going to be stars soon. Unfortuneatly I don't think either will happen and we will remain to just being an upper middle of the pack team with no hopes of a cup or long run in the playoffs.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I think the issue is more that they overplay Rittich. Why bring in Talbot and barely play him?

First game in a little while and I'm stunned that the officiating seems worse in person.

What happened on the Lucic breakaway? Looked like a clear hook or can opener. Lucic held his hands up and the ref yelled something at him.

He said "Sorry, we have big wagers for a Habs win tonight"

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Lol. Three tough ones.

Expected sv% .976

He let in three softies.

Morning crew said the same thing. Did you miss the rest of the section where I said he was under siege and you can't really fault him?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Wisers

It’s the 20 minute team!!! Pretty sad really. Bennett has got to go

That's an odd take.

4th line guy with 12 minutes, no goals against, top four on the team in possession metrics is the problem in an overtime loss where the team gave up 43 shots on home ice and the goalie a few softies.

[Resolute 14]

It's interesting how the officiating turns to complete dog crap right when a bunch of eastern conference teams come through.

Anyway, one thing last night's game has really underscored for me is my concerns about Geoff Ward's coaching strategies:

- Gaudreau with Lucic and Ryan completely wastes our best scoring forward's abilities. It was no surprise that Gaudreau looked ten times more dangerous when Ward shifted him back up to skate with guys with skill.

- Late in the game, 3-3, Montreal takes an icing. Better get Lucic and Ryan out there again for the key offensive zone faceoff. Predictably, they lost the faceoff, and we got buried inside our own zone. Inexplicably, after Rittich bailed them out by covering the puck, Ward left them out for the defensive zone faceoff, which they again lost. I think in the end, Lucic had the single longest shift of any forward for us at that point. And all of it was buried in his own end.

- Ward absolutely sucks at coaches' challenges. The entire reason why it's a delay of game penalty now is to prevent exactly what Ward is doing: wasting time with a faint hope challenge. He's actively hurting the team by doing this.

- Our breakouts are turning into a hot mess. We're starting to rely again on multiple lateral passes before moving the puck up, and those passes are becoming increasingly predictable. Too slow getting out of the zone, too easy to be stripped of the puck.

All of these issues are things that we saw under Gulutzan, and that is very concerning to me.
That being said, the one thing that really differentiates Ward from Gulutzan is adaptation. Ward did recognize that Gaudreau on the third line was dumb and changed it. And later in the game, we did start prioritizing north-south passing out of the zone. So there's still a lot of hope there. But man do we need to clean up some of these issues.

[Resolute 14]

Oh, and sorry DeluxeMoustache, but Rittich almost singlehandedly lost us the game last night. He made some great saves, but three of those goals stunk to high heaven.

[Erick Estrada]

The officials putting the whistles away isn't necessarily a good thing when one of the two teams is committing a lot more infractions. I still can't believe the Flames got only a single powerplay over 60+ minutes with the Habs slashing, hooking, interfering like it was 1995.

[8sPOT]

On the bright side, the Flames looked pretty good for the most part. But man, you have to win that one. A good team finds a way to win that game.

It's evident to me that the Habs have the most shots per game in the league because they just fire it from the point. Most of these were harmless. As they rely on a perimeter style game rarely driving the net.

Rittich just cant let in some of those softies, and those first 2 were soft as they come. He made some great saves, but I thought all his goals were bad.

Lucic hauled down, no call, lots of hooking done by the Habs and no calls, that's frustrating. But only losers whine about that stuff so nothing to be done there. Keep your feet moving and play the damn game like its your last.

The Flames had these last two games and let it slip away, that's 3 points gone that could really hurt down the road.

This group still seems soft to me. Mentally that is. We have skill, we have speed, some grit, but something is missing.

All this being said, the Flames have missed some glorious opportunities these last 2 games that a typical NHL player would easily bury. Will those situations turn into goals or will it be more of the same? History tells me that this team just doesn't quite have it.

[Inferno]

If the league had any balls that missed call on the Lucic breakaway should earn O'Halloran a sit down with whoever is head of officials and atleast some missed games and lost pay. There's going to be missed calls but that one was inexcusable.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He let in three softies.

Morning crew said the same thing. Did you miss the rest of the section where I said he was under siege and you can't really fault him?

Yeah I saw the ‘you can’t fault him’ which is inconsistent with ‘softies’. As those concepts are essentially contradictory, I was not comfortable relying on one.

And a classic appeal to authority. In a matter of science, what are the feelings of the radio guys?

Haha.