[Rumour] Friedman: Devils/Coyotes are finalizing Hall trade

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by red sky

Flip for what? At best a 5th rounder? Salary is fine but his cap hit will be tough for most contenders to take on. He is serviceable player but with the cap such a valuable commodity he actually might have negative value.

A 5th? Maybe, a bit higher.
But what he’s not, is a cost of a 1st, to liquidate.

Most playoff teams can fit in Froliks contract at the deadline (or earlier), based upon Capfriendly’s data today.

[Kovaz]

That said, trading for Hall is a very win-now move, and I'm not super convinced that we're in a closing window where we'd need to go all-in. To me, our overall cup chances over the next 10 years decrease if we trade a bunch of assets like a 1st, Valimaki, or Dube for Hall.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I dont think for one second Taylor Hall is a signing a sweetheart contract extension.

And I dont understand the fervor for him. He is perhaps the epitome of Oilers stentch of them all. It follows him.

Everything I have read is Hall is going to prioritize winning first and foremost. If he wanted money he would have re-signed in NJ. Maybe he will go for the biggest possible payday but I think he wants to win long term and be on a consistent playoff team.

I could see him signing the Stamkos contract for max term at 8.5M. Still fair but not the ridiculous 10-12M that is being rumored to be his ask

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Right, so not a game breaker. Not even close.

So, you would agree Gaudreau is also not a game breaker right? Since, all you want to look at is Hall's career point totals.

Absolute joke that you don't think a guy who just carried a team to the playoffs two years ago and won the Hart isn't a gane breaker lol

[Yoho]

I think there is some serious over valuing Valimaki post injuries.
I don’t see how anyone can be 100% certain we are going to get the player we all fell in love with when he does come back from this latest injury.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

That said, trading for Hall is a very win-now move, and I'm not super convinced that we're in a closing window where we'd need to go all-in. To me, our overall cup chances over the next 10 years decrease if we trade a bunch of assets like a 1st, Valimaki, or Dube for Hall.

Flames window is 3 years not 10 years. NHL has changed you have a short amount of time to go all in and then start the process all over again.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Right, so not a game breaker. Not even close.

Is this a defined term that I’ve missed?

[JurassicTunga12]

Another potential factor in Hall re-signing if we were to trade for him other than being from Calgary, and being a big Flames fan, is Geoff Ward. IIRC Hall spoke very highly of Ward when he was with NJ.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I think there is some serious over valuing Valimaki post injuries.
I don’t see how anyone can be 100% certain we are going to get the player we all fell in love with when he does come back from this latest injury.

You can’t be 100% certain we won’t.

I’ll stick with the Valimaki mystery box.

[Burner]

got to think Hamonic is part of a Flames offer

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Burner

got to think Hamonic is part of a Flames offer

Hamonic for Hall? The Trade is one for one?

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Then you tell Calgary to give that hypothetical 2nd rounder up front and not deal with the obscurity and risk of the return yourself if you are the Devils.

Then no deal gets done because there is no cap space to make a trade. NJ is going to be taking back salary in any trade for Hall because contending teams don't have $6 million in cap space.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Right, so not a game breaker. Not even close.

He’d be as much an offensive game breaker as anyone on our current roster. Guy has been on garbage teams his entire career.

[AC]

Honestly, I think the Flames should be all over this.

Especially if we can keep him out of Colorado, St Louis, or Arizona's hands. The Flames window is currently open and could change dramatically in the coming years with Gio and Gaudreau if we don't add any significant pieces.

I think we're also set up well when it comes to the cap structure of the team to re-sign him. Frolik, Brodie, Hamonic, Janko, and Talbot all expiring with Mangiapane, Kylington, and Andersson needing raises. Those 4 make up $17.232M and I think only one of Brodie/Hamonic are brought back.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Everything I have read is Hall is going to prioritize winning first and foremost. If he wanted money he would have re-signed in NJ. Maybe he will go for the biggest possible payday but I think he wants to win long term and be on a consistent playoff team.

I could see him signing the Stamkos contract for max term at 8.5M. Still fair but not the ridiculous 10-12M that is being rumored to be his ask

It’d be nice if he signed at $8.5, and that was the ceiling for Tkachuk’s next contract too.

[Matty81]

If Valimaki is expansion exempt after losing the year to injury and only being tagged with 2 years of pro service I actually think hes worth more than he was last year. He is so young and players at that age typically move past injuries really smoothly.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Backlund all allow more goals against and chances against than Hall over the last 3 years.

Well yeah. Any five players combined have allowed more goals and chances against over the last three years.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Lmao, calling Hall a game breaker is like referring to a ditch as the Grand Canyon! He has one good season where he helped his team make the playoffs. He is almost always injured. He doesn't fit a positional need. His teams bleed goals when he is on the ice because he is just a dumb player. We get all that and a sentence into cap hell for years to boot. I can't wait until some other dumb GM trades for this guy and I hope to God he signs an extension with them so this insanity stops.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Right, so not a game breaker. Not even close.

You honestly need to watch him play. He is the guy generating the points. Not sure what your definition of game breaker is, but he's another consistent and legit offensive threat. He'd be right behind Gaudreau in the Flames lineup. The biggest issue with the Flames is that they can be shut down by shutting Gaudreau down. Hall would change all of that, as he's the type of player you send your top shut down guys against.

[keenan87]

To Calgary:
Taylor Hall (signed)

To New Jersey:
Mikael Backlund
Oliver Kylington
1st Round 2020
2nd Round 2021

Hall-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Gaudreau-Monahan-Dube
Lucic-Ryan-Mangiapane
Bennett-Jankowski-Frolik
Rieder,Czarnik

Maybe try and pick up a better 4th line center at the deadline.

[FanIn80]

Hall is a first-overall, Hart-winning, born-and-raised Calgarian winger who grew up cheering for the Flames and is still in his prime.

Flames fans: “Eww, gross! No thank you!”