[Rumour] Friedman: Devils/Coyotes are finalizing Hall trade

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I could definitely see that happening in the summer. One run with them together and they move Johnny in the summer for a higher return then they pay to acquire Hall.

God no.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Both Gaudreau and Tkachuk are productive on their off wing so what you are saying won't stop the Flames from getting Hall if they wanted to.

They're even more productive on their natural wing, so why move them? Accommodate a lesser player? That makes sense.

They are also not trading Gaudreau.

Watch them. I suspect they know if Gaudreau wants to be here long term, which I suspect he does not. They will recognize this and want to maximize the return they can get on him, which means trading him this summer at the latest. I fully expect another Treliving draft day surprise and Gaudreau being front and center to that deal. I'll be shocked if Johnny Hockey is not playing someplace on the east coast (Flyers, Devils, Rangers, Islanders, or Capitals) by the start of the 2020-2021 season.

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Trading gaudreau to get hall is going backwards (,or at best sideways)

I didn't say trade Gaudreau for Hall. I said have a secondary trade ready to move Gaudreau.

Given what has been rumored, I would be fine doing a package around frolik (cap), kylington (high potential young d), parsons (high potential g) and a pick for hall. Then see if mangi or Bennett could go 1-1 or with a small add for a top 4 rhd

If you could get Hall for that, it would already be done. Kylington is the player of consequence in that proposal, so I don't see that as being enough. The Flames actually need Kylington based on the contract status of their blueline. They trade him before having a suitable replacement for Brodie and Hamonic, and they are in serious trouble. Too many question marks on the backend right now, so a trade of a blueliner is going to be tough. Parsons is also not a centerpiece to any deal. He's a very long shot, and the only thing he's proven so far is he's injury prone. He's a throw in at this point and not going to get another team all twisted up to make a deal. The Flames will have to move a piece they will find painful. I suspect that will mean Valimaki or their 1st rounder this draft. Not sure if I'd be willing to make that deal for Taylor Hall.

[Buff]

When does the Christmas deadline kick in?

[SmoggyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Buff

When does the Christmas deadline kick in?

I believe December 19th.

[FanIn80]

Bennett, Kyllington, Frolik plus a 1st if he re-signs.

To clarify, I meant a 1st to NJ if Hall re-signs with us (not a 1st to us if Frolik re-signs with NJ, lol).

[red sky]

NJ would laugh at that. Likely two first rounders for taking on Frolik for the year.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Bennett, Kyllington, Frolik plus a 1st if he re-signs.

I can't see why NJ would do that. I would imagine that something like this would be more realistic, even though I don't think I would do it

NJD gets: Valimaki, 1st, , B Prospect (Gawdin?), Frolik (cap)
CGY gets: Hall (salary retained)

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by red sky

NJ would laugh at that. Likely two first rounders for taking on Frolik for the year.

Frolik would be seen as an asset they could flip, he would immediately be on the block and if they retained some they could get a good return.

[red sky]

Flip for what? At best a 5th rounder? Salary is fine but his cap hit will be tough for most contenders to take on. He is serviceable player but with the cap such a valuable commodity he actually might have negative value.

[Harry Lime]

I am so glad that Calgary is not considered in the running for Hall. All of the proposals are for assets I would rather keep. I would hesitate to give as much as people are suggesting for a signed Stone, and he is twice the player that Hall is, and plays the right side.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I am so glad that Calgary is not considered in the running for Hall. All of the proposals are for assets I would rather keep. I would hesitate to give as much as people are suggesting for a signed Stone, and he is twice the player that Hall is, and plays the right side.

I think the recent flurry of posts has been in response to some poorly-known hockey people tweeting that the Flames might be in contention.

I think it’s just a terrible idea on many fronts.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I am so glad that Calgary is not considered in the running for Hall. All of the proposals are for assets I would rather keep. I would hesitate to give as much as people are suggesting for a signed Stone, and he is twice the player that Hall is, and plays the right side.

Agreed! I think we need to put faith in the guys we have unless something make sense. We could use some key additions but I don't think Hall is answer, especially if it means shaking up the roster.

[Flamenspiel]

I think the Flames need to be in the running, but only as a shill to drive the price up for other teams that we are competing with.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by red sky

Flip for what? At best a 5th rounder? Salary is fine but his cap hit will be tough for most contenders to take on. He is serviceable player but with the cap such a valuable commodity he actually might have negative value.

I think NJ would probably hold him until the deadline, when the cap implications for a contender are much less. They could also retain which would improve his valuable considerably, and not cost them much because of his expiring contract.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I think NJ would probably hold him until the deadline, when the cap implications for a contender are much less. They could also retain which would improve his valuable considerably, and not cost them much because of his expiring contract.

Exactly, a 50% retained Frolik could probably garner a 2nd at the deadline, especially if he continues to play well.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

I think the recent flurry of posts has been in response to some poorly-known hockey people tweeting that the Flames might be in contention.

I think it’s just a terrible idea on many fronts.

It’s only a terrible idea if the value required to acquire Hall is larger than the value in getting him.

I don’t understand how people ever talk in absolutes on trades or trade concepts. In an effort to make your team better you explore any and all options on all of your assets. You don’t make absolutes, but obviously value differentiates quite largely depending on the asset.

For example, is it a terrible idea if you can land Taylor Hall for a 5th round pick and equivalent salary dump in a player like Lucic or some lower level collection of players or something like that? No, that’s a great idea but obviously unrealistic and not happening.

In short, is it a terrible idea? Who knows, we don’t know the assets at stake.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Buff

When does the Christmas deadline kick in?

December 20 at midnight (next Friday).

I'm not sure if Treliving has continued Burke's policy of extending the roster freeze (except in cases of injuries) by an extra week. If he has, then the Flames are already in their freeze time frame.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Exactly, a 50% retained Frolik could probably garner a 2nd at the deadline, especially if he continues to play well.

They've already got enough of those assets to flip (simmonds, vatanen, greene, palmieri/gusev/zajac for the right price) - they'd want to retain salary on a few already...

[handgroen]

R.A. from spittin chiclets takes things pretty seriously and has prided himself on breaking smaller news in the past. i'm not certain it will come to pass but i am fairly certain he's not just having fun with us ala commodore.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Exactly, a 50% retained Frolik could probably garner a 2nd at the deadline, especially if he continues to play well.

Then you tell Calgary to give that hypothetical 2nd rounder up front and not deal with the obscurity and risk of the return yourself if you are the Devils.