Aliu blackface incident with the Colorado Eagles

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by RichKlit

Whatever.

RichKlit: "Don't post this dismissive comment!"

Also RichKlit: "*dismissive comment*"

[sempuki]

A little off topic but I thought I'd re-post something I read somewhere:

I dealt with a lot of racism in hockey. At one point I gave up and stopped playing cause it was mental torture. One of my family members knew the GM of the Flames at the time and asked if Iggy would sit down for a few minutes with me to chat about being a colored hockey player. The amazing person Iggy is he agreed to the request. I didn't know about all of this until the day I met him. We talked over a glass a milk, he told me some of the things he went through, and some of them were worse than my stories. But he used those negatives to drive him and not give up. I ended up doing the same. I definitely didn't come close to a career that he had, but I didn't give up on the game I love due to ignorance of others. I'm glad hockey is having it's reckoning.

-- Jiggy

Ok -- back to the naked politics and critiques of "wokeness"!

[sempuki]

“Dear Mr. Aliu,
As an organization, the discovery of this event deeply saddens us. Although we had no prior knowledge, that doesn’t excuse or diminish the fact that this has hurt a fellow human being. Rest assured, our organization holds no ego too big or stature so proud that we are above apologies for any wrongdoing. As a family-oriented organization, we wholeheartedly seek your forgiveness and sincerely apologize.
We are truly very sorry, and we will also assure you that this behavior is not and never will be acceptable in our organization.”

Dayamn. Someone should show Peters how to write an apology! Props.

[Passe La Puck]

Problem with the appology is that it's bull####. The president/GM/head coach didn't know this happened? He wears all the hats except knowing about #### that happens at team events?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Passe La Puck

Problem with the appology is that it's bull####. The president/GM/head coach didn't know this happened? He wears all the hats except knowing about #### that happens at team events?

Not only is it bull####, it’s over the top dramatic and the last sentence is so poor it makes me head spin. “Deeply saddened” “we seek forgiveness” oh please oh please forgive us!!! That’s not us!!! “Rest assured”!

Just apologize for the act and stop grovelling.

[burn_this_city]

We'll find out later the author of the apology actually took the photo.

[sureLoss]

Colorado Eagles president Chris Stewart told the Athletic the party wasn't a team sanctioned event.

https://theathletic.com/1453179/2019...s-in-the-game/

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Im probably going to be painted a racist by some members of this group, i am not.

At what point does Aliu using his new stage with the media to call out and resolve past racism incidents go too far?
I try my best to teach my young children that when someone’s actions affect your personal beliefs, safety or security that you need to speak up about the situation and let them know the effect of their actions.

Was there a way that this could have been discussed privately instead? Did that already take place?

In no way am i condoning the actions of the trainer, especially if it was done maliciously.

I agree with you, people should speak up. But I don't think you understand how much hockey is an old school, old boys club type of sport. Even as of 10 years ago if you spoke up and told someone in the organization how you've been treated it would possibly be dealt with but swept under the rug. If you told the wrong person then your career in hockey is probably over in some respects. And as a young adult, if hockey is everything you know, would you want your career to be done? And outside of the NHL players are not making retirement money, trust me.



Look at Akim, everyone doubted him when the Peter's situation came out. Do you think things would play out the same way if Akim brought this up with Rockford? I doubt it. Social media allowed him to get the truth out without the issue being swept under the rug. And props to him. He's made his mistakes but did he ever go through hell to play the game he loves.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Woke
Boomer
Snowflake
Edgelord

I can't keep up with all the new ways to be insensitive in a thread that should be condemning insensitivity.

On topic: Nobody should endure what Akim Aliu has had to endure. I at first struggled with the Peter's incident and how long go it was for a different employer, but now I think more examples must be made. The message must be made as clear as possible.

[RichKlit]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

RichKlit: "Don't post this dismissive comment!"

Also RichKlit: "*dismissive comment*"

Did your post deserve anything more?

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I assume you didn't see the original post. It was the boomeriest rant that a boomer ever boomed.

Well congrats, your reply was the wokest reply a millennial ever spoke

(DR SEUSS in 2019)

[sempuki]

Not only is it bull####, it’s over the top dramatic and the last sentence is so poor it makes me head spin. “Deeply saddened” “we seek forgiveness” oh please oh please forgive us!!! That’s not us!!! “Rest assured”!

Just apologize for the act and stop grovelling.

That's cynical! Maybe the GM/President/Owner *didn't* know and this is actually how they feel.

I don't think the front office is invited to all player parties...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sempuki

That's cynical! Maybe the GM/President/Owner *didn't* know and this is actually how they feel.

I don't think the front office is invited to all player parties...

He was also head coach.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Woke
Boomer
Snowflake
Edgelord

I can't keep up with all the new ways to be insensitive in a thread that should be condemning insensitivity.

On topic: Nobody should endure what Akim Aliu has had to endure. I at first struggled with the Peter's incident and how long go it was for a different employer, but now I think more examples must be made. The message must be made as clear as possible.

"Cancel culture" and the old standby "SJW".

[powderjunkie]

^Triggered.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Isn't it woke culture that promotes equal outcomes? I think some posters are just calling the woke bluff here.

"Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance." - Albert Maysles

What’s this nonsense? Let’s use real words please.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

But again, it was a minority of Canadians who made that choice for the rest of us. That’s our democracy.

The idea that everyone, or even a majority of people gave Trudeau a “pass” is false. As is the idea that anyone here is defending Trudeau or giving him a pass. At worst, there are people talking about the degrees of “bad” each incident falls under, and I’m not really seeing any of those degrees putting Trudeau in the “totally fine!” space. I think what most people are saying is that bringing up Trudeau feels like a distraction. It doesn’t feel like people wanting to have a genuine conversation, or wanting to add context to the conversation of racism in this sport. It feels like people who just want to take a jab at Trudeau, claim everyone is hypocritical, and do basically anything they can to avoid addressing THIS issue, by just saying “Oh well nothing happened to our PM soooooooooo.”

So while people did vote for Trudeau anyway, and the Liberal party did keep him in, we need to stop holding that against 100% of Canadians, or at least stop acting like the people talking about this issue are some hypocrites that all voted for Trudeau.

Eventually people are going to have to grow up and realise that life isn’t fair. Sometimes what we feel should be a “standard” just isn’t. Sometimes you go from one job to another and the standard changes, you go from one social circle to another and the standard changes. A private organisation has a different standard than a political party. Yeah, it can suck. I think I can speak for the majority when I say I genuinely wish Trudeau was flat on his ass somewhere instead of leading this country. But that’s also life. I can’t control that, just like I can’t control what NHL coach gets fired. And I’m not going to go looking to demonise anyone who has an opinion a coach by saying “but Trudeauuuuuu!”

I mean, we can’t even have a conversation about what parts of this situation make it different (you could argue worse) than what Trudeau did. It’s not even meant to excuse Trudeau, but to show how bad this situation was, and still a few dummies go “NOPE! Trudeau bad! All equally bad! No talking about degrees!”

That doesn’t sound like people who want to have a conversation about racism. It sounds like people who want to shut that conversation down. And if we can’t talk about it, it’s never actually going to get better. Some people don’t even understand what racism is, and yet some people think we should even talk about it.

Quoted for truth. PepsiFree the voice of reason in this thread.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

What’s this nonsense? Let’s use real words please.

It is nonsense. You got that part right.

Equality of Outcome

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cannon7

It is nonsense. You got that part right.

Equality of Outcome

It appears that, even when you have a link to the meaning of the phrase, that you don't know what it means, since it has nothing to do with varying degrees of severity of crimes or torts (and resulting consequences).

[CSharp]

If things keep getting swept under the rug and if issues were brought to attention nothing was done to resolve the issues, everything would seem to be hunky dory and life just goes on. Then, when the issue arises again with another person, it's swept under the rug again until the issue can no longer be swept away.

For what Aliu brought forth, he did the right thing. What people call a whistle-blower, he and others are victims. A whistle-blower can be someone witnessing or providing 2nd/3rd hand accounts of an event(s). But, as a victim, he actually experienced it not once, but many times. I think Aliu did the right thing regardless of how this came about. If it's the truth, it must be told. Bringing things up front helps other victims to deal with the pain and stress that has been caused.

Sure, we all have some sort of discrimination. However, when that discrimination comes out as an intent to hurt, whether it's for humor or a full on hateful act, this is where things can get personal. Racial discrimination is probably the worst illogical thing that a person can possess. There is no logical basis for hating someone or some group based on beliefs, skin color, or other ethnic customs. If we haven't learned anything from WWII and Nazi Germany, then, maybe Skynet will end all of this once and for all.