Aliu blackface incident with the Colorado Eagles

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Who in this thread has given Justin Trudeau a pass?

The election happened. The country gave him a pass because they didn't want to vote for Andrew Scheer. That's all. It doesn't endorse the behavior of the Prime Minister.

It also says a lot about the conservative platform - they couldn't convince the country they were less racist than this Peter Sellers mother####er.

Less racist. That is the new ‘bar’ for liberal Trudeau. Come on.

Blackface Trudeau gets “a pass”

“I had to vote for Justin, even though he went blackface 3 times, because there was no other option “

Not good. Not good enough.

[PsYcNeT]

I'll give these posters that constantly screaming "TRUDEAUUUUUUUUU" in a thread that isn't about him is a great way to shut down conversation about both Aliu and Trudeau.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Less racist. That is the new ‘bar’ for liberal Trudeau. Come on.

Blackface Trudeau gets “a pass”

“I had to vote for Justin, even though he went blackface 3 times, because there was no other option “

Not good. Not good enough.

But again, it was a minority of Canadians who made that choice for the rest of us. That’s our democracy.

The idea that everyone, or even a majority of people gave Trudeau a “pass” is false. As is the idea that anyone here is defending Trudeau or giving him a pass. At worst, there are people talking about the degrees of “bad” each incident falls under, and I’m not really seeing any of those degrees putting Trudeau in the “totally fine!” space. I think what most people are saying is that bringing up Trudeau feels like a distraction. It doesn’t feel like people wanting to have a genuine conversation, or wanting to add context to the conversation of racism in this sport. It feels like people who just want to take a jab at Trudeau, claim everyone is hypocritical, and do basically anything they can to avoid addressing THIS issue, by just saying “Oh well nothing happened to our PM soooooooooo.”

So while people did vote for Trudeau anyway, and the Liberal party did keep him in, we need to stop holding that against 100% of Canadians, or at least stop acting like the people talking about this issue are some hypocrites that all voted for Trudeau.

Eventually people are going to have to grow up and realise that life isn’t fair. Sometimes what we feel should be a “standard” just isn’t. Sometimes you go from one job to another and the standard changes, you go from one social circle to another and the standard changes. A private organisation has a different standard than a political party. Yeah, it can suck. I think I can speak for the majority when I say I genuinely wish Trudeau was flat on his ass somewhere instead of leading this country. But that’s also life. I can’t control that, just like I can’t control what NHL coach gets fired. And I’m not going to go looking to demonise anyone who has an opinion a coach by saying “but Trudeauuuuuu!”

I mean, we can’t even have a conversation about what parts of this situation make it different (you could argue worse) than what Trudeau did. It’s not even meant to excuse Trudeau, but to show how bad this situation was, and still a few dummies go “NOPE! Trudeau bad! All equally bad! No talking about degrees!”

That doesn’t sound like people who want to have a conversation about racism. It sounds like people who want to shut that conversation down. And if we can’t talk about it, it’s never actually going to get better. Some people don’t even understand what racism is, and yet some people think we should even talk about it.

[GioforPM]

What confuses me is I don't get the point of bringing up Trudeau in a new situation like this. Leave aside whether there are differences or not, or whether there should be one standard punishment no matter what the circumstances.

As far as I've read here, anyone that does thinks Trudeau should have resigned or been tossed out. Great. That's valid. But so what? Does the fact Trudeau didn't resign or get tossed mean that everyone in the future gets a pass for blackface?

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I dealt with a lot of racism in hockey. At one point I gave up and stopped playing cause it was mental torture. One of my family members knew the GM of the Flames at the time and asked if Iggy would sit down for a few minutes with me to chat about being a colored hockey player. The amazing person Iggy is he agreed to the request. I didn't know about all of this until the day I met him. We talked over a glass a milk, he told me some of the things he went through, and some of them were worse than my stories. But he used those negatives to drive him and not give up. I ended up doing the same. I definitely didn't come close to a career that he had, but I didn't give up on the game I love due to ignorance of others. I'm glad hockey is having it's reckoning.

Great post. Thanks for sharing.

I'm a minority but not a visible minority. So while I experienced some bigotry it was never to this scale. It's really enlightening to hear what you (and Iggy and Akim and others) had to go through and, in many cases, are still going through. Hockey and our broader culture will only be better for hearing (and listening to) these stories.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

A consistent standard across all of life? What dream world are people living in where that’s a reality in any facet of their life?

Different jobs, different people, different histories, different situations. Basically one single thing remotely in common, but that’s enough to warrant a “consistent standard”?

That’s not how real life works. You know that, I know that. If you go work at McDonalds you’re held to a different standard than a movie star. If you’re the mayor you’re held to a different standard than either of those positions. If a black artist uses the n-word in a song they’re held to a different standard than some boomer calling that same artist the n-word.

Life is full of seemingly inconsistent standards. That’s because we have the cognitive ability to consider many, many layers of context. How are some people spending decades on this earth and still not being able to figure out context?

It’s absolutely fake outrage. Or it’s the same type of people who say things like “I don’t think anyone should say the n-word, not even black people (because I can’t say it). It’s only fair!”

Fake or ignorant. Take your pick.

What a wonderful post in a sea of nonsense. This should be required reading for anyone jumping in on these topics going forward.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I'll give these posters that constantly screaming "TRUDEAUUUUUUUUU" in a thread that isn't about him is a great way to shut down conversation about both Aliu and Trudeau.

(checks how many pages are in this thread)

Huh?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by cannon7

(checks how many pages are in this thread)

Huh?

If you think this circuitous dick-slapping counts as conversation I'm unsure what to tell you.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

If you think this circuitous dick-slapping counts as conversation I'm unsure what to tell you.

I'm not terribly impressed by the fidelity of the discussion, either. But without the Trudeau talk this thread would just be a chorus of "how awful" comments. It most certainly is awful. I think we've established that. So maybe the thread has run its course? Or better yet, when a thread veers into political jousting, just move it to the politics board.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

A consistent standard across all of life? What dream world are people living in where that’s a reality in any facet of their life?

Isn't it woke culture that promotes equal outcomes? I think some posters are just calling the woke bluff here.

"Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance." - Albert Maysles

[sempuki]

Good thing we stopped talking about black people's experience and got back to what's really important: white people's feelings.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Or better yet, when a thread veers into political jousting, just move it to the politics board.

:/

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Take it to the OT forum.

[RichKlit]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Ok boomer

This getting Really old and not funny at all. About as funny or cutting edge as calling someone a snowflake.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Ultimately, these are situations where there is one aggressor, and these incidents are completely unnecessary. They are premeditated, lacking in self awareness, and lacking of care for others.

I'm not sure what the intent behind these black face incidents are. But they do show really an extreme amount of poor judgement and character, and that is enough for me to not want to employ them anymore.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by RichKlit

This getting Really old and not funny at all. About as funny or cutting edge as calling someone a snowflake.

I assume you didn't see the original post. It was the boomeriest rant that a boomer ever boomed.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Isn't it woke culture that promotes equal outcomes? I think some posters are just calling the woke bluff here.

"Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance." - Albert Maysles

No.

[GioforPM]

Scheer just stepped down. No confirmation it's because he accepted Trudeau's apology for blackface.

[RichKlit]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I assume you didn't see the original post. It was the boomeriest rant that a boomer ever boomed.

Whatever.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Less racist. That is the new ‘bar’ for liberal Trudeau. Come on.

Blackface Trudeau gets “a pass”

“I had to vote for Justin, even though he went blackface 3 times, because there was no other option “

Not good. Not good enough.

Take it up with the rest of the country, sir.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by rooster

MOD EDIT: Please just stick to the topic.

Really disappointed this post got removed. With less than 3 weeks left it seemed like a lock for the best worst post of the year.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Life is full of seemingly inconsistent standards. That’s because we have the cognitive ability to consider many, many layers of context.

That this cognitive ability exists is amazing enough [in the grand scope of the universe], but it is even more incredible to me how quickly it flies out the window as soon as tribalism comes into play.