[News] Bill Peters resigns as head coach. No longer part of Flames org. Ward interim HC

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I do. Even if the Flames wanted to keep Peters for some strange reason they could not because of the backlash as our society would not forgive them. In the same breath our society feels that racism in Justin's case was excusable. This is not right and if we are ever going to get rid of racism we have to drop the excuses for everyone regardless of their profession and standing.

I think they are materially different. Even though what Trudeau did was shockingly inappropriate and offensive for a responsible adult, I think it's hard to argue that he did so with any intention to harm. He also came out to apologize and made a statement about how wrong the actions were and in his time since then there is evidence of him actually taking actions that would clearly contradict the suggestion that his professional decision making is affected by racism. Trudeau's incidents were also not involving situations of an imbalance of power over people under his charge at that time.

With Peters, it's not just that he said those words, but that he said those words to someone under his charge, in a situation with huge imbalance of power, may have used that power imbalance to further harm that individual and appears to have had other situations in which he abused his power over those in his charge in more recent years. His 'apology' was also a very poor apology.

There is a dramatic difference between the two.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Scorch

Is anyone else disappointed that it didn’t end with the Flames FIRING Cross Burning Bill? This was a moment for the Flames to make the statement that they won’t put up with this crap?

Settling for an X amount with a resignation just seems to harm the Flames organization than a Firing

Ad hominem. Unnecessary and not helpful.

And no. They don't want to be sued for slander/libel or wrongful dismissal. This is simply reality.

[Erick Estrada]

I'm just glad this is over and we can move on from this and get back to hoping the Flames can turn their season around.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Scorch

Is anyone else disappointed that it didn’t end with the Flames FIRING Cross Burning Bill? This was a moment for the Flames to make the statement that they won’t put up with this crap?

Settling for an X amount with a resignation just seems to harm the Flames organization than a Firing

Here is what a "voluntary" resignation does for the Flames.

It prevents Peters from suing for wrongful termination. He quit, he can no longer claim he was fired unfairly.

[TheIronMaiden]

Well I am glad this case is closed so that we can all put this behind us.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The problem is when guys like Merrick, who are hockey experts try to offer commentary about subjects they aren't experts in (e.g. employment, how to terminate employees, contract law, etc). Instead they should be getting actual experts on air to evaluate how the Flames and Tree handled this.
That's the right way to cover this.
Then there's the lazy way.

Just to expand on my own post. Here's how I would handle this if I was structuring the news lineup for this.

Story 1
- Peters no longer with the team
- He's resigned
- Ward new coach
- Clips from Tree

Story 2
- Did the Flames handle this correctly
- Interview with a legal expert
- Why is this is resignation instead of a firing?

Story 3
- What does this mean for hockey culture going forward
- Interview with coaching expert, sports psychologist, someone like that

Coming up in sports
- Story focused on Ryan Ward and what it means for the team going forward

Something like that. You cover the story from multiple angles leveraging experts in each area.

Having a bunch of hockey experts trying to talk about non hockey things is poor coverage.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Scorch

Is anyone else disappointed that it didn’t end with the Flames FIRING Cross Burning Bill? This was a moment for the Flames to make the statement that they won’t put up with this crap?

Settling for an X amount with a resignation just seems to harm the Flames organization than a Firing

Nope. I don't see how this harms the Flames in the least. They made the statement that they won't put up with this crap.

[taxbuster]

Don't read too much into the "resignation". It was, most assuredly, negotiated. There is something for each party in that.

[Northendzone]

a lot could depend on how you define what is a racist? what if this was the only time peter's refered to someone who is not white in this manner in his entire life - is he a racist?

maybe i am way off base ehre, but doing this a few times in your life is way different than being a member of a racist organization like the KKK.

Who of us has not laughed at a joke that involves a couple of people walking into a something or other

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Ark2

I remember a little while back, Bill Maher said the N-word during his show. He ended up getting some heat for it but it eventually subsided and he continued on with his career. If you lean left, your racist behaviour generally gets a pass. Since Bill Peters is in an apolitical profession (for the most part) there is no pass. If you are looking for a rule or a guideline as to who can get away with what, that's it.

That’s BS. It’s not a left/right thing at all. It’s a holding people accountable and understanding growth. It’s also about context. Bill Maher came out and acknowledged what he said was wrong, apologized and followed up his next show with black guests that more or less informed his audience about the negativity of the word. Trudeau came out and apologized and recognized what he did was wrong, acknowledged that his privilege clouded his judgement at the time and apologized.

Peters did eventually issue an apology to Treliving for the situation. There was no apology to the player it affected. Even if he had apologized in the locker room 10 years ago he could have reiterated it toward Akim again. The same with Cherry, just double down that you agree with what you said.

If you want to call it a left/right divide then you have to admit the left owns up to their actions and try’s to improve and the right is unapologetic and stands by their actions regardless of how they wronged another. Personally I think this is NOT how to characterize the “left/right” political divide, and does nothing for the conversation.

[MissTeeks]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1200475457910661120

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Cost Peters his career, what more do you want

For the Flames not to have written him a cheque and to be able to stand up there and say they want no part of someone like that in their organization.

I get why it happened this way. But no, it doesn’t feel that great.

The repudiation is now punted to the NHL.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by hixxes

What was Pinder getting at with his question? Challenging Tre as to whether he believed what Peters did was racist?

(I believe it was Pinder)

Yeah...Pinder is the most holier than thou asshat in the media in Calgary.

What he just attempted to do to Treliving was...... gross.

He's been bitching and complaining every day that Peters hadn't been fired yet as he called for it to happen last Tuesday and simply could not conceive that due diligence was an absolute must in this whole thing.

I think the FAN should heavily reprimand him for what he just tried to do today...it was absolutely disgusting IMO. BT has had a very very rough week and all of it caused by someone else that he had zero control over, so instead of understanding things Pinder decides to try and take him down a notch because BT hasn't used a word or language that Pinder feels had to be attached.

BT's answer was great and he gave Pinder a heavy stare down afterwards...good for him.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

lol who is calling Tre's presser disingenuous?!

What a bad take.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by belsarius

That’s BS. It’s not a left/right thing at all. It’s a holding people accountable and understanding growth. It’s also about context. Bill Maher came out and acknowledged what he said was wrong, apologized and followed up his next show with black guests that more or less informed his audience about the negativity of the word. Trudeau came out and apologized and recognized what he did was wrong, acknowledged that his privilege clouded his judgement at the time and apologized.

Peters did eventually issue an apology to Treliving for the situation. There was no apology to the player it affected. Even if he had apologized in the locker room 10 years ago he could have reiterated it toward Akim again. The same with Cherry, just double down that you agree with what you said.

If you want to call it a left/right divide then you have to admit the left owns up to their actions and try’s to improve and the right is unapologetic and stands by their actions regardless of how they wronged another. Personally I think this is NOT how to characterize the “left/right” political divide, and does nothing for the conversation.

Not that this is the MOST important element of the Bill Maher story, but he also went with the soft A.

Really sounds like Peters went with the hard 'ER'. One may not agree that that is a noteworthy distinction, but I think it is.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Cost Peters his career, what more do you want

Cost him his job. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he pops up in Russia in not so long.

[AC]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Don't read too much into the "resignation". It was, most assuredly, negotiated. There is something for each party in that.

I'd think smart money is on part of the agreement being that Treliving and the Flames don't call it racism / or Peters racist.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Just to expand on my own post. Here's how I would handle this if I was structuring the news lineup for this.

Story 1
- Peters no longer with the team
- He's resigned
- Ward new coach
- Clips from Tree

Story 2
- Did the Flames handle this correctly
- Interview with a legal expert
- Why is this is resignation instead of a firing?

Story 3
- What does this mean for hockey culture going forward
- Interview with coaching expert, sports psychologist, someone like that

Coming up in sports
- Story focused on Ryan Ward and what it means for the team going forward

Something like that. You cover the story from multiple angles leveraging experts in each area.

Having a bunch of hockey experts trying to talk about non hockey things is poor coverage.

In reality we’ll get a bunch of articles addressing whether outrage/cancel culture has gone too far.

“Reactions” from around the league.

Multiple talking heads offering their takes on the process and at least of few of these morons virtue signalling, going on about how much better Tre could have handled it, how it is a black mark on the league and how this will be a new age for hockey as the abuse reckoning takes shape.

More speculation from the talking heads as to the possible implications for the league and how teams/coaches are watching this carefully for the next time a decade old racist tirade comes to light.



Got all 3 just for you Rando.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah...Pinder is the most holier than thou asshat in the media in Calgary.

What he just attempted to do to Treliving was...... gross.

He's been bitching and complaining every day that Peters hadn't been fired yet as he called for it to happen last Tuesday and simply could not conceive that due diligence was an absolute must in this whole thing.

I think the FAN should heavily reprimand him for what he just tried to do today...it was absolutely disgusting IMO. BT has had a very very rough week and all of it caused by someone else that he had zero control over, so instead of understanding things Pinder decides to try and take him down a notch because BT hasn't used a word or language that Pinder feels had to be attached.

BT's answer was great and he gave Pinder a heavy stare down afterwards...good for him.

Honestly when I heard what Pinder was doing it I was disgusted, his whole conduct through this whole thing has been wrong


I did go to the fan 960 website and sent them an email stating my feeling on Pinder


kelly.kirch@rci.rogers.com

[RichKlit]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah...Pinder is the most holier than thou asshat in the media in Calgary.

What he just attempted to do to Treliving was...... gross.

He's been bitching and complaining every day that Peters hadn't been fired yet as he called for it to happen last Tuesday and simply could not conceive that due diligence was an absolute must in this whole thing.

I think the FAN should heavily reprimand him for what he just tried to do today...it was absolutely disgusting IMO. BT has had a very very rough week and all of it caused by someone else that he had zero control over, so instead of understanding things Pinder decides to try and take him down a notch because BT hasn't used a word or language that Pinder feels had to be attached.

BT's answer was great and he gave Pinder a heavy stare down afterwards...good for him.

I didn't hear the question can you elaborate?