[News] UPD: Friedman: Peters being officially removed as head coach is close

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Big picture, might not be a bad thing. Having a precedent out there where one could get terminated with cause for actions which occurred long before one was employed with the company wanting to terminate, could open an ugly window.

Before this is construed as me supporting Peters' actions or even think it's just he may end up getting paid, it is not. Again, big picture is what I'm thinking.

Conversely;
a) their due diligence is performed to a higher scrutiny than ever before
b) the hiring GM's professional contracts are written with additional termination clauses

Additionally, I'd have to think King/Treviling are petitioning the BoG for League funds as part of severance payment. They wear the blood, but 2 other teams also hold guilt.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Additionally, I'd have to think King/Treviling are petitioning the BoG for League funds as part of severance payment. They wear the blood, but 2 other teams also hold guilt.

Heck no. Imagine if the Oilers hired a racist coach who had no ties to the Flames and Calgary had to pay part of his severance. I would be livid.

[BurningSteel]

Where does he move to now?

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Heck no. Imagine if the Oilers hired a racist coach who had no ties to the Flames and Calgary had to pay part of his severance. I would be livid.

I think it has little to do with your biggest rivals, and more about remediation from two board colleagues, whom didn't discipline/ act upon Peters' indiscretions, while in their employ.

But yeah, perhaps not all 30 other teams, and instead Carolina & Chicago.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

I think it has little to do with your biggest rivals, and more about remediation from two board colleagues, whom didn't discipline/ act upon Peters' indiscretions, while in their employ.

But yeah, perhaps not all 30 other teams, and instead Carolina & Chicago.

I disagree. At this point, cut him loose. The money the Flames will have to give him is nothing compared to the bad PR they would endure dragging this out for much longer.

[calumniate]

To me the biggest deal is the culture of kiboshing. Looking at you Ron Francis! We've seen it in a sexual assault accusations all too often. You can accuse someone but if that person is in a position of power they can ruin your life swiftly.

Brad always talks about process. Well the institutions have to have real processes in place to make sure that those that come out aren't swept under the rug. Until that changes the nhl is in a world of hurt.

A good example is the US gymnastics team. The guy eventually got a 400 year sentence. But it took 20 years of him being active with the institutions protecting him, carte blanche.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by calumniate

To me the biggest deal is the culture of kiboshing. Looking at you Ron Francis! We've seen it in a sexual assault accusations all too often. You can accuse someone but if that person is in a position of power they can ruin your life swiftly.

Brad always talks about process. Well the institutions have to have real processes in place to make sure that those that come out aren't swept under the rug. Until that changes the nhl is in a world of hurt.

A good example is the US gymnastics team. The guy eventually got a 400 year sentence. But it took 20 years of him being active with the institutions protecting him, carte blanche.

That documentary on HBO about the USA gymnastics is horrifying. So many people involved but covered up/ignored because money and gold medals.

[dino7c]

Laviolette punched a player in the helmet on national TV and nobody said anything...still haven't really

Peters is gone because of the Nword but the other stuff seems like piling on IMO. Unless you are gonna hold everyone to that standard. Imagine if we had that video of Peters and not Laviolette...why does he get a pass?

Every coach in the NHL has "abused players" depending on your definition...things get kicked and thrown. Verbal abuse lol, these guys peel the paint off the walls.

[AC]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Laviolette punched a player in the helmet on national TV and nobody said anything...still haven't really

Peters is gone because of the Nword but the other stuff seems like piling on IMO. Unless you are gonna hold everyone to that standard. Imagine if we had that video of Peters and not Laviolette...why does he get a pass?

Every coach in the NHL has "abused players" depending on your definition...things get kicked and thrown. Verbal abuse lol, these guys peel the paint off the walls.

Sopel went on Spittin Chiclets and talked about how Marc Crawford would punch, kick, and choke him. He's currently an assistant coach with Chicago.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1199428296792035328

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Laviolette punched a player in the helmet on national TV and nobody said anything...still haven't really

Peters is gone because of the Nword but the other stuff seems like piling on IMO. Unless you are gonna hold everyone to that standard. Imagine if we had that video of Peters and not Laviolette...why does he get a pass?

Every coach in the NHL has "abused players" depending on your definition...things get kicked and thrown. Verbal abuse lol, these guys peel the paint off the walls.

Well if you google it there were plenty of articles written about it at the time, and the conversation has certainly changed since that time.

“Every coach in the NHL has abused players” ok, neat. How about instead of defending that behaviour we listen to the players who are saying enough is enough and allow it to change?

Guys like Peters and Babcock have been taken down a serious peg not because there is video of them acting like #######s, but because actual players have come out with stories of being bullied and abused. Like, what do you care if Peters and Laviolette are treated equally? You don’t know either of them, you haven’t witnessed any of Peters’ abuse or been in the room, you don’t know anything about Laviolette outside of a video clip, but you know enough to suggest something is amiss?

This isn’t about your or my feelings of fairness. This is about victims of the abuse in the NHL. Let’s just let them come forward if and when they want to instead of making it about our wants, ok?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Well if you google it there were plenty of articles written about it at the time, and the conversation has certainly changed since that time.

“Every coach in the NHL has abused players” ok, neat. How about instead of defending that behaviour we listen to the players who are saying enough is enough and allow it to change?

Guys like Peters and Babcock have been taken down a serious peg not because there is video of them acting like #######s, but because actual players have come out with stories of being bullied and abused. Like, what do you care if Peters and Laviolette are treated equally? You don’t know either of them, you haven’t witnessed any of Peters’ abuse or been in the room, you don’t know anything about Laviolette outside of a video clip, but you know enough to suggest something is amiss?

This isn’t about your or my feelings of fairness. This is about victims of the abuse in the NHL. Let’s just let them come forward if and when they want to instead of making it about our wants, ok?

We literally have video of another NHL coach punching a guy in the head but some fringe player says peters punched him and its headline news

If there is a new standard lets hold everyone accountable

Sorry if I don't have much sympathy for a guy who got kicked in the back by a loafer wearing full equipment or punched in the helmet all the while making millions of dollars playing hockey.

Racial slurs and sexual abuse are a whole different ball of wax...Peters is getting what he deserves for that

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

One of the interesting dynamics of the abuse stuff coming out right now is some of the players who are speaking up and how clean are they. Something tells me, maybe I’m wrong, that some these players, especially certain ones have done some on ice verbal bullying themselves, maybe even some locker room mental or physical bullying, player to player.

I get one the difference is the power position the coach has, but other than that it’s still a professional environment co-worker to co-worker. Is it ok because trash talking and attempting to gain an edge in sport through mental abuse is ok? Not to trying to justify what these coaches have done, but when you are managing employees who many of them go out and verbally abuse, and physically cross the line with the rules of the sport everyday to try and win and earn their living, does that influence what you you think acceptable or even necessary to get through to someone? (only referring to the bullying aspect here).

[カナダ人です]

Maybe more players have to channel their inner Mogliny

[dino7c]

Trash talk is bad in the beer leagues...I can't imagine the NHL or Major Junior

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Trash talk is bad in the beer leagues...I can't imagine the NHL or Major Junior

Well lets put it this way, at work there's about 7 of us that played at least up to jrA or higher. We have ice time once a week. If HR ever came out to one of our games, we'd probably all be out of a job.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

I disagree. At this point, cut him loose. The money the Flames will have to give him is nothing compared to the bad PR they would endure dragging this out for much longer.

??
Termination & it's diligence, and the petition to BoG, could be pursued separately.

[gamesaver]

Not sure if mentioned already, but another Czech player spoke about Peters. Jiri Tlusty played for him in Carolina during 14-15 season.

https://www.idnes.cz/hokej/nhl/jiri-...134233_nhl_rmp

Half of the article is what's already known, so I will translate Tlusty's quotes only. Tlusty did not reach out for the media as I understand it, was asked to give comments based on Jordan's allegations and own experience with Peters.

On Peters:"He is arrogant. I wish all the players not to have to come into contact with him ever again....To deal with Peters was very hard, he is so arrogant. We never had a good relationship, he was one of those reasons I left Carolina. I am not going to kick around myself, I don't care about him anymore and lot of players already spoken up. Water is boiling.... Like it's normal when a player and his coach have an argument, but to kick someone in the back during a game? Thats rotten. He felt like he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it."

On Jordan:"Michal was young, what could he do? Player feels humiliated, like a beaten dog in a corner. He doesn't show up for practice in good a mood and feels like there is nothing he can do about it. North America can be tough for European players. Wears down your confidence. Michal played there for some time, but it was pretty much up and down for him.

On Akim:"I am not surprised he spoken up. Maybe he could have done it a bit earlier with more courage. But I understand he was depressed and it could have affected his career. Up until now he saw Peters doing well, getting a lot of praise and felt degraded."

On "apology": "The apology is just a gesture he has to make in order to try to get over it. He will shield himself with that, but in fact nothing changed. It's just for the masses to make up for it."


Now there is one important thing that kind of comes to light. Tlusty is Kladno native, Czech NHLers from Kladno are known to be a very tight group. One of Tlusty's best buddies is Michael Frolik. They even went to the same class. I have seen a lot of fans around here wondering what happened to the team after the All-star break. How about it has nothing to do with the All-star break, but more likely how Frolik, a Cup champion, hard worker and a true pro was placed in Peters' doghouse? To the extent when his agent had to come up in his defense with that tweet? I think the timeline fits quite well, could be interesting to check our record before and after that.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by AC

Sopel went on Spittin Chiclets and talked about how Marc Crawford would punch, kick, and choke him. He's currently an assistant coach with Chicago.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1199428296792035328

One can only imagine what that piece of human garbage Crawford said to Bertuzzi to get him after Moore.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I just want to post something as it's been on my mind for a couple.of days now. Lindholm and Hanifin said nothing apparently about the troubles in Carolina when they arrived here. Or if they did it fell on deaf ears.

It's an ugly situation this Bill Peter's stuff, but that's been bugging me.

Who should they have said anything to?
What should they have said?
How would it have potentially affected their careers under the new coach?

I mean Bill Peters was hired before Lindholm and Hanifin arrived. What are they supposed to say? What could they have said? Do you think its realistic to expect players to rat out their old coach on a new team?

Seems like a big ask to me. A couple of players in their early 20's are going to go to the GM and complain about the coach he just hired? I can definitely see why they wouldn't. I'd go so far as to say its unrealistic to expect them to have confronted Treliving about Peters.

[redpaint]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

This honestly could be a Netflix documentary

"Broken" Pro Level Coaches ... I could see it.