Something that I have thought about in this. If akim had disclosed this only by private correspondence to the flames or the nhl, would we be in the same place today. Would peters be on his way out? Or would the team reaction be different? Same event, but not disclosed to the public.
Something that I have thought about in this. If akim had disclosed this only by private correspondence to the flames or the nhl, would we be in the same place today. Would peters be on his way out? Or would the team reaction be different? Same event, but not disclosed to the public.
I hope so. But in case it wouldn't have, I'm glad he did.
I think you are reading way too much into a quote.
I'm a rap guy, have been since the late 80s. When I started listening to gangsta rap my dad said something that started almost exactly the same as Peters' quote and it wasn't at all racist in nature.
My dad said something like "I'm tired of this n ####. All they say is n this, and n that. I don't want you listening to music that uses that word." At which point he threw my NWA tape out of the window of the car. With the way Peter's apparently tried to mock the lyrics, my gut says it was something along the same lines that intended, but executed it terribly and without tact.
Writing someone off as a racist because of a quote that can be interpreted in multiple ways, is a pretty negligent way to decide someone is a racist.
He said racially intensive things while at work, he should have been terminated for that. This whole thing is a PR nightmare for the Flames and thus he should be fired for that.
But none of this is enough to fairly label him anything.
One of my Caucasian friend's just brought up a good point.
He had a love for country music, and his minor coach used to come in and and say 'Turn that white boy honky tonk sh*t off!'. I guess that should label him a racist too?
I agree entirely with this past post though. My mom would say the same thing about my choice in music growing up, as I too listened to Hip Hop. It was said out of frustration, and in the moment. I believe Peters probably did the same thing, unfortunately it was in a professional setting, and in front of a bunch of impressionable kids.
I don't believe Peters is a racist. He said a racially insensitive thing. I'm probably of the minority where I think this is being blown a bit out of proportion, and the culture and environment now are making this what it is. I am empathetic towards those who feel attacked and marginalized, however I also believe the world is a far more sensitive place than when I grew up.
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I think you are reading way too much into a quote.
I'm a rap guy, have been since the late 80s. When I started listening to gangsta rap my dad said something that started almost exactly the same as Peters' quote and it wasn't at all racist in nature.
My dad said something like "I'm tired of this n ####. All they say is n this, and n that. I don't want you listening to music that uses that word." At which point he threw my NWA tape out of the window of the car. With the way Peter's apparently tried to mock the lyrics, my gut says it was something along the same lines that intended, but executed it terribly and without tact.
Writing someone off as a racist because of a quote that can be interpreted in multiple ways, is a pretty negligent way to decide someone is a racist.
He said racially intensive things while at work, he should have been terminated for that. This whole thing is a PR nightmare for the Flames and thus he should be fired for that.
But none of this is enough to fairly label him anything.
Here is the allegation from Aliu:
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‘Hey Akim, I’m sick of you playing that n----- s---,’ ” Aliu told TSN, with Peters, who was then the Ice Hogs head coach, referring to Aliu’s selection of hip-hop music. “He said ‘I’m sick of hearing this n-----s f------ other n-----s in the ass stuff.’ ... When Peters then called Aliu into his office to talk about it, Aliu said Peters did not apologize. Instead, Peters again expressed his displeasure in Aliu’s choice of music for the dressing room, with Aliu saying Peters said: “You know, I’m just sick of this n----- s---. It’s every day. From now on, we need to play different music.”
So, you're asking me to believe that Bill Peters found the frequent use of the word "N#####" in hip hop music to be offensive (to him as a white person) and inappropriate, that he did not want to hear that word in the dressing room any more, and to communicate these important concerns to the one black person in the dressing room, he needlessly and gratuitously used the word "N#####" directly to the one black person in the dressing room at least three or four times? Sorry, but that explanation does not have the ring of truth (to me).
EDIT: To be clear, I don't think that "Bill Peters hates black people". I do however think that, at the time the statements were made at least, Bill Peters likely had, consciously or unconsciously, some prejudicial attitudes about race (and black people specifically).
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This letter was written by a lawyer and I'm a bit confused as to the situation because the letter states that there was an initial apology 10 years ago after he used inappropriate language. So, it's either the lawyer (and Bill) has falsely made that claim or Akim Aliu forgot to mention that in his tweets??? This is definitely gonna get ugly. Also, with respect to the other players getting kicked and pounded on the bench - there's no mention of that. Bill should've written the letter himself - too bad that all this legal stuff is getting in between all this crap that's been spewed and too bad he did what he had done.
There are only 31 head coaching positions, and to fill them, they do not need Peters and this baggage.
Having said that, I am not a fan of the immediate and complete broad brush painting approach. Hockey News is running a series of articles and Graeme Townshend describes encountering and forgiving racist utterances and in fact has a history with Peters
Whether Bill Peters is, or is not a racist is not in question. There was a person who was hurt and humiliated by Bill Peters remarks. Not sure why some need to minimize and add blame to the person who was humiliated in front of his peers and in his own words hurt by the needless comments.
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This letter was written by a lawyer and I'm a bit confused as to the situation because the letter states that there was an initial apology 10 years ago after he used inappropriate language. So, it's either the lawyer (and Bill) has falsely made that claim or Akim Aliu forgot to mention that in his tweets??? This is definitely gonna get ugly. Also, with respect to the other players getting kicked and pounded on the bench - there's no mention of that. Bill should've written the letter himself - too bad that all this legal stuff is getting in between all this crap that's been spewed and too bad he did what he had done.
He didn’t “forget to mention it”. He said there was no apology, and two players confirmed his story.
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He didn’t “forget to mention it”. He said there was no apology, and two players confirmed his story.
What I think is that Peters said something that he thinks or at least is now spinning as an apology. But no one else there thinks it was. Plus IIRC Aliu said he never received an apology, so something Peters said to the team that didn't include a specific reference to Aliu isn't an apology to Aliu.
One of my Caucasian friend's just brought up a good point.
He had a love for country music, and his minor coach used to come in and and say 'Turn that white boy honky tonk sh*t off!'. I guess that should label him a racist too?
Not really a good point.
My history is a little rough so maybe your Caucasian friend can remind us when white cowboys were systemically discriminated against and disadvantaged?
And I'll back it up:
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Assumptions and stereotypes about white people are examples of racial prejudice, not racism. Racial prejudice refers to a set of discriminatory or derogatory attitudes based on assumptions deriving from perceptions about race and/or skin colour. Thus, racial prejudice can indeed be directed at white people (e.g., white people can’t dance) but is not considered racism because of the systemic relationship of power. When backed with power, prejudice results in acts of discrimination and oppression against groups or individuals. In Canada, white people hold this cultural power due to Eurocentric modes of thinking, rooted in colonialism, that continue to reproduce and privilege whiteness. (See our definition of Whiteness)
So, you're asking me to believe that Bill Peters found the frequent use of the word "N#####" in hip hop music to be offensive (to him as a white person) and inappropriate, that he did not want to hear that word in the dressing room any more, and to communicate these important concerns to the one black person in the dressing room, he needlessly and gratuitously used the word "N#####" directly to the one black person in the dressing room at least three or four times? Sorry, but that explanation does not have the ring of truth (to me).
I know what Aliu said, thanks.
And yes, I believe it is absolutely a possibility that is how it was intended. But just because people intend something one way, doesn't mean others take it that way.
I am not saying Peters isn't racist, nor will I say he is. I'm saying with 1 quote that can easily mean something different than how Aliu took it, it's not enough information to state he is a racist.
I'm not sure what your background is, or what you have experienced in your lifetime, but you do come off across as extremely jaded on this subject.
One of my Caucasian friend's just brought up a good point.
He had a love for country music, and his minor coach used to come in and and say 'Turn that white boy honky tonk sh*t off!'. I guess that should label him a racist too?
Was his coach non-white? Was your friend the only white person on an otherwise non-white team? Did this all happen in a society where white people were historically disadvantaged and the words "honky tonk" were ugly symbols from the ugliest, most repugnant period in that society's treatment of white people? If so, I guess people might at least reasonably question what that minor coach's attitudes about white people were. Probably, people would think that minor coach probably shouldn't be a minor coach any longer (at least until he or she addresses those attitudes in a satisfactory way).
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Listening to Burke this morning and last night, I think reading in between the lines the Flames know exactly what the end is. Peters will be gone. As Burke mentioned, that sounded like Bill Daly last night, not Treliving. The Flames are being put on pause as everything is being done behind the scenes. Burke is right that there is no statute of limitations on this sort of language and behaviour. What really complicates things is this was done well before his current contract in a different league. There are a lot of i's to dot and t's to cross so this ends as soon as the Flames issue their statement that Peters is gone.
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One of my Caucasian friend's just brought up a good point.
He had a love for country music, and his minor coach used to come in and and say 'Turn that white boy honky tonk sh*t off!'. I guess that should label him a racist too?
Your friend's point isn't as good as you think it is. White boy has never been a racist term, and honky tonk is the more or less approved label for a genre (the equivalent would be "turn that rap sh*t off").
But even if "white boy" was racist - think about it. The coach is saying that the music is by and for "white boys". So what was Peters saying about the rap music? It's by and for who? And guess who was playing it?
One of my Caucasian friend's just brought up a good point.
He had a love for country music, and his minor coach used to come in and and say 'Turn that white boy honky tonk sh*t off!'. I guess that should label him a racist too?
I don't believe Peters is a racist. He said a racially insensitive thing. I'm probably of the minority where I think this is being blown a bit out of proportion, and the culture and environment now are making this what it is. I am empathetic towards those who feel attacked and marginalized, however I also believe the world is a far more sensitive place than when I grew up.
The point was completely irrelevant to the situation at hand.
Wow, Peters should be fired for an incident that happened 10 years ago in a different workplace? Yet the President of the US can still maintain his job for a pattern of mysognistic, racist and xenophobic statements uttered almost daily.
Why bring up the president, why not talk about our own PM where we have actual visual proof of his racism?
What happens if he voluntarily steps down? Thats kind of where I figured this would go, being in that resigning rather than 'getting fired' is more favourable to the accused in these situations for their own future, no?
