Who should be the next coach of the flames?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Jamie McLennan and Commodore both touched on this. Good like Sutter - in their opinion - knew where the line was and didn't cross it.

Babcock and Peters are so far over the line, they can't even see the line. The line is a dot to them.

Other players have said Sutter did cross the line, no way they can hire him

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by calgaryfox

Coaches at every level and the NHL must have their heads in their hands waiting for the next public outcry about coach's behaviour over the last decade or so. I'm sure that every coach that has stood behind the bench could be found guilty of some form of bullying at some point in their career. Don't get me wrong, racism in any form is completely out of order and should be dealt with heavily.

But where does bullying start and end? I coached for a number of years and motivating players is tough. Even at youth level, some kids need kid glove treatment, some need a sharp talking to. Nowadays, who in their right mind would want to be a coach where the slightest problem with a player could now see them brandished as a bully or worse.

No matter who leads a team, there will always be someone who isn't happy and they can make a coaches life hell. I'm sure that the coaching issues that have come out over the last couple of weeks are just the tip of the iceberg and it could result in a major defining moment for the NHL.

Maybe modern day coaches should use modern day techniques and actually incorporate a shred of the research we have in coaching that involves positive feedback and focus on effort and NOT results.

As far as I know, the more important factor in winning is systems, analysis, and, god forbid, team work. Instead of dividing the room by beating the #### out of a player emotionally. Which is, as far as any evidence I have, the only thing that happens in any NHL dressing room.

I feel like sports are still way behind when it comes to progressiveness.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by redpaint

The only coaches to win Stanley cups with multiple teams:

• Dick Irvin ('32 Leafs, '44, '46, '53 Canadiens)
• Tommy Gorman ('34 Hawks, '35 Maroons)
• Scotty Bowman ('73 Canadiens, '76-'79 Canadiens, '92 Penguins, '97-'98 Wings, '02 Wings)

Can we stop chasing has-beens already? Get some new blood, some no name who goes fishing with old Walt, I don't care. I am sick of hearing about trying to score a coach on their way out / pretty much retired.

True, but the opposing argument is that sometimes you end up with a Pierre Page, a Don Hay, a Greg Gilbert...


Or you go with guys that had some experience as a head coach and came from (at the time) well thought of coaching circles - Glen Gulutzan, Brent Sutter..


It isn't a matter of avoiding re-treads and has-beens, or avoiding up-and-comers and new but unproven blood. It is a matter of finding the right fit.


Those allegations by Carcillo are a bit alarming, but are at least tempered by the VERY outspoken Commodore, but unquestionably Darryl Sutter has been a really damn good coach in every stop he has made, and has continually turned teams around, if even only for a few seasons at a time.


As for the Bob Hartley jokes - still underrated, but I am sure would have no consideration by Treliving. He built an effective system that this team played under, and they played hard. Those Flames teams played harder under him than any other coach since Darryl. I would bet that he is smart enough to tailor a system to the make-up of a team (that is one thing I really liked about him too), rather than trying to fit square pegs into round holes. He has won a championship at every single league he has ever coached in, and if that's not impressive, I don't know what is. You just know with especially what is transpiring right now, that he wouldn't have any consideration at all (and probably rightfully so). I do, however, think that he was such an underrated coach here that actually got this team to play extremely hard and vastly exceeded anyone's expectations. There is just no way he will ever be considered.


Ward is just the safest and most logical choice right now, and as a bonus, he is looked upon as one of those 'new blood' coaches that people were talking about. Flames would be smart to at least have a prolonged look and see how ready he is. More options will open up in the off-season as usual anyway.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Craig Conroy is more of a front office guy. Sure, he'll help out a coach with on-ice drills in a pinch, or at a prospects camp but he's interviewed for at least GM job that I know of. Probably too nice a guy to be a Head Coach.

Martin Gelinas has worked in player skill development and I'm not sure if he's a motivator type.

Just my admittedly outsider's opinion, of course.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by redpaint

The only coaches to win Stanley cups with multiple teams:

• Dick Irvin ('32 Leafs, '44, '46, '53 Canadiens)
• Tommy Gorman ('34 Hawks, '35 Maroons)
• Scotty Bowman ('73 Canadiens, '76-'79 Canadiens, '92 Penguins, '97-'98 Wings, '02 Wings)

Can we stop chasing has-beens already? Get some new blood, some no name who goes fishing with old Walt, I don't care. I am sick of hearing about trying to score a coach on their way out / pretty much retired.

There are others who came close , eg finals or otherwise successful and then got there with another team. Sutter, Trotz, Badger Bob, Babcock (!), Quennville.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Also, I have to say...


I can't speak for everyone, but on every team I have played on as an athlete years ago, I have never worked harder in practice, trained harder on my own, or played harder than when a coach pulls me aside and tells me he believes in me.


Have a coach screaming in my ear? I did just enough. I wouldn't die out there for that coach. I would die for the guy that pulled me aside, gave me a vote of confidence, and told me that I was important.


Maybe some guys need to be screamed at? I don't know. It never worked for me. I bet it doesn't work for most people. Same thing in the corporate world. Have a boss screaming at me as a motivational technique? Never happened to me, but that's not a job I could live with on a day to day basis. It would make me miserable, and I would make sure I find a way to screw him up royally JUST as I find a new job. I will never understand screaming and threatening as a motivational technique. I won't sacrifice for you if I feel you don't 'love' me. Maybe I am just wired weird.

[GullFoss]

I think it's more multi-dimensional than he screamed at me or believed in me. Can the coach bring a team together, help it bond, help build a culture. Sometimes the coach has to be the leader, sometimes the guy everyone hates, sometimes the guy that grinds your gears, or gets in your head or gets you out of your comfort zone. Or bruises your ego. Or builds your confidence. Sometimes a player lacks intensity. Sometimes a player can't relax. Sometimes a player has to step up. Sometimes a player has to accept a diminished role. Coaches need to know which buttons to push, when to press them and how hard to press them

And there's a lot of grey because humans are complex and it's made more complicated because it's a team sport and there are tribal elements at play.

But there's a line. And I think some guys don't know where the line is. They go way too far. And some just let the power go to their head and just love the power and wanna show everyone what a big man they are. That's the problem with Babcock...some of the out of line stuff he did was for him and his ego, not for the players

[Singularity]

If Tre wants to hire Darryl, just call up Jarome for an honest opinion.

[Snuffleupagus]

Next summer if there isn't a big time coach available I hope they take a look at Kris Knoblauch, gets a lot from his players and they love his style. western canadian as well.

[redpaint]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

True, but the opposing argument is that sometimes you end up with a Pierre Page, a Don Hay, a Greg Gilbert...


Or you go with guys that had some experience as a head coach and came from (at the time) well thought of coaching circles - Glen Gulutzan, Brent Sutter..


It isn't a matter of avoiding re-treads and has-beens, or avoiding up-and-comers and new but unproven blood. It is a matter of finding the right fit.


Those allegations by Carcillo are a bit alarming, but are at least tempered by the VERY outspoken Commodore, but unquestionably Darryl Sutter has been a really damn good coach in every stop he has made, and has continually turned teams around, if even only for a few seasons at a time.


As for the Bob Hartley jokes - still underrated, but I am sure would have no consideration by Treliving. He built an effective system that this team played under, and they played hard. Those Flames teams played harder under him than any other coach since Darryl. I would bet that he is smart enough to tailor a system to the make-up of a team (that is one thing I really liked about him too), rather than trying to fit square pegs into round holes. He has won a championship at every single league he has ever coached in, and if that's not impressive, I don't know what is. You just know with especially what is transpiring right now, that he wouldn't have any consideration at all (and probably rightfully so). I do, however, think that he was such an underrated coach here that actually got this team to play extremely hard and vastly exceeded anyone's expectations. There is just no way he will ever be considered.


Ward is just the safest and most logical choice right now, and as a bonus, he is looked upon as one of those 'new blood' coaches that people were talking about. Flames would be smart to at least have a prolonged look and see how ready he is. More options will open up in the off-season as usual anyway.

Flames have made terrible rookie coach sections, other teams like Pittsburgh have won 4 Stanley cups each with a rookie coach.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by redpaint

Flames have made terrible rookie coach sections, other teams like Pittsburgh have won 4 Stanley cups each with a rookie coach.

* with Mario and Crosby?

Sometimes effective coaching is knowing when to not over coach - finding the right balance to allow your best players to play at their best

I was skeptical of Peters before this stint due, in part, to Eric Staal.

I’ve seen Crosby thrive with certain coaches and struggle (by his standards) with others. The coaches whose top players struggle - can they last?

[ASP#26525]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Also, I have to say...

I can't speak for everyone, but on every team I have played on as an athlete years ago, I have never worked harder in practice, trained harder on my own, or played harder than when a coach pulls me aside and tells me he believes in me.

Have a coach screaming in my ear? I did just enough. I wouldn't die out there for that coach. I would die for the guy that pulled me aside, gave me a vote of confidence, and told me that I was important.

Maybe some guys need to be screamed at? I don't know. It never worked for me. I bet it doesn't work for most people. Same thing in the corporate world. Have a boss screaming at me as a motivational technique? Never happened to me, but that's not a job I could live with on a day to day basis. It would make me miserable, and I would make sure I find a way to screw him up royally JUST as I find a new job. I will never understand screaming and threatening as a motivational technique. I won't sacrifice for you if I feel you don't 'love' me. Maybe I am just wired weird.

If you're wired weird, I'm wired weird too. Basic human decency, compassion, and empathy go a very long way for me in all aspects of my life.

I'd personally like to see a "younger" (under 50) or young-minded person try coaching our team. I have a soft spot for Gelinas and Conroy but I admittedly know nothing about Ward, or hockey coaching, and only have experience being coached on a ski team. My coach was a HORRIBLE bully and I still have disdain for that POS "man" even 27 years later. The day I quit was a very happy day.

Ultimately, I'm just very disappointed and sad about Peters, and angry as **** on behalf of Aliu. I'm glad players are feeling comfortable coming forward, though. Nothing will ever change otherwise and I think the recent focus on mental health is important. I hope this leads to some positive change forward.

[Playfair]

I hear Don Cherry is available

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There are others who came close , eg finals or otherwise successful and then got there with another team. Sutter, Trotz, Badger Bob, Babcock (!), Quennville.

Burns, Keenan, and Lemaire.

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Can't go wrong with any of the Mike's.

Babcock, Keenan, Milbury.

Don't forget about Sullivan and Therrien.

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

retreads = previous Flames coaches

Okay, Terry Crisp.

[Wolfman]

I would keep Ward for as the interim and hope you catch lightning in a bottle.

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by Tsawwassen

Okay, Terry Crisp.

Came for the Crisper, leaving satisfied.

[Timbo]

Flames can be the first NHL team to hire a female head coach.

Make it Cassie and watch CP implode.
BTW I have no problem with Cassie and her colour commentary.

[JBR]

Since bringing in crappy ex-Oilers is in Tre's wheelhouse.. how about MacT?

and 3....2....1......