TSN: 2 teammates independently corroborate Akim Aliu's allegations against Peters

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by icecube

Peters used the N word to a black player.

Aliu doesn't have to be calm or mature about sweet #### all.

He would have every right to be angry, humiliated or whatever emotion he felt. He's entitled to that. The N word is dehumanizing.

And then what happened?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah you should always expect a 20-year-old who just experienced racism to hold a mature, educational conversation with the guy who delivered that racism.

Why should we expect anything less?

Reactions get reactions.

[Muta]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1199403251826876417

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

And then what happened?

Irrelevant to the claim at hand.

[burn_this_city]

I dunno where you are going with this but it's an unwinnable argument.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Reactions get reactions.

You're really focused on the wrong thing.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Well, we don't have actual proof either of what his rebelling actually entailed. Aliu could be required to take some responsibility for how he handled the situations following the incident too. Did he calmly go to Peters and explain why he was offended, and have a mature conversation and help Peters understand how it affected him and why it wasn't ok and so on? Or did he do the opposite?

None of this happens at all if Aliu is born white. I blame his parents mostly for this.

Certainly it's not the fault of the white man using the N word.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

And then what happened?

Then he had a meeting with Peters and Peters repeated it all over again.

Then he stewed some, and some time later dropped an F bomb on Peters in practice, and was sent to the minors despite being one of the team's best offensive players (not sure if he was on D but if so it was even better).

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The worsrle the pile on around Peters gets, the higher the likelihood his pro career is done.

The likelier it is that his pro career is done, the more incentive he has to make this as difficult and expensive for the flames organization as possible.

Treliving has created a huge headache for his organization. There must be 100 coaches in North America qualified enough to coach a hockey team, and treliving hand picks this one.

Boy, if I hired someone who created this much negative press for my organization, and it was basically my personal endorsement that sold the hire, I'd be actively looking at employment elsewhere.

Jiri, imagine you hire someone at the radio station who is later accused some pretty awful workplace harrasment, and it was your endorsement of this individual that got this person hired in the first place.

Do you think there'd be heat on you?

I think we need more information to make that conclusion. Did Tre know about this at any point? If no, then no. If yes, then yes.

People vouch for others all the time. Yes some personal credibility is put on the line, but you only know what you know. If everyone he talked to clammed up due to "hockey culture", then how is this on Tre?

What matters is what he does when he actually knows information. On that he was forthright and honest last night. He is doing the right thing in taking it serious and not waving it off due to risk to himself.

I am willing to put money on him firing Bill at this point no question if this is proved to be detrimental to the organization.

That said, Flames need to hire Tre a real adviser not name Connie, as he has shown himself very weak in this area.

I get some don't like Bill and Glenn, but to expect anyone to be fired over something they didn't know at all is so over the top it is ridiculous.

Some need to understand the optics to "100 other coaches" out there that are watching this for a fair shake if/when they are called for an interview.

[burn_this_city]

Listen, people just didn't know way back in 2008 that you can't say that to a subordinate.

[Dragomir]

Treliving needs to also be released after this. He’s done too much damage with most of his trades and can’t hire a competent coach to save his life. He’s just not a good GM.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Irrelevant to the claim at hand.

Isn't it. The claim is

1. Peters used a racist word describing the music he didn't want playing in the locker room, while the player was present. Peters then repeated it to the player after calling him into his office.

2.

He “turned sour against” Peters in the days and weeks that followed.

3.

Aliu said two or three weeks after the incident, Peters snapped at him during a drill in practice and Aliu responded by saying: “Don’t f------ talk to me” to Peters. Within two hours of practice ending, Aliu says he was demoted to the ECHL.

That's still just Aliu's take, not proof. What else was going on over that time period? Was Aliu a perfect player, teammate and person? Was his career going the exact same way from outside perspective regardless of the locker room music racist comment incident? We don't know.

All of the other factors that go into Aliu's challenges aren't all on Peters. His inability to speak up about the incident at the time is about the culture in these leagues and that's not fully on Peters either.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Reactions get reactions.

embarrassing take. seriously embarrassing.

[ST20]

can we combine the two Peters threads?

[topfiverecords]

So much irrational lynching without the whole story going on in here as usual.

[burn_this_city]

topfiverecords on the uneven bars in the mental gymnastics Olympics. Will he stick the landing, the crowd doesn't think so.

He made multiple racial slurs directed at the player and his choice of music, in front of at least two witnesses. I have no idea why you think the onus would be on the 20 year old player to tell the coach why he was offended. People have been offended by that slur for 150 years.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

So much irrational lynching without the whole story going on in here as usual.

I mean we pretty much have the whole story. Enough has come out at this point. Do we really need to wait until we hear a little bit more about why he's a pretty consistent prick over years?

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

So much irrational lynching without the whole story going on in here as usual.

Dude the story was corroborated already, wtf are you going on about? We've passed this already 50 posts ago and now more abusive (this time physical) stuff is coming out.

[jiginla12]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

So much irrational lynching without the whole story going on in here as usual.

I don't think that is the right choice of word given the situation. Stop trying to victim blame as well since there are multiple players corroborating the story.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Isn't it. The claim is

1. Peters used a racist word describing the music he didn't want playing in the locker room, while the player was present. Peters then repeated it to the player after calling him into his office.

2.

3.

That's still just Aliu's take, not proof. What else was going on over that time period? Was Aliu a perfect player, teammate and person? Was his career going the exact same way from outside perspective regardless of the locker room music racist comment incident? We don't know.

All of the other factors that go into Aliu's challenges aren't all on Peters. His inability to speak up about the incident at the time is about the culture in these leagues and that's not fully on Peters either.

The only "proof" there could be would be Peters' admission that this is why it happened. Otherwise it's like any other case - the evidence piles up.

Anyway your point was he should have calmly discussed it - he did. And he got more of the same. Then, by his own admission, he turned against the coach. Is that on him? To some extent maybe, but it doesn't happen if the first part doesn't happen.