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Flash Walken · 11-26-2019, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

What the actual Eff? You leave DaMan out of this

I would NEVER say a bad word against you or the Stache.

bob-loblaw · 11-26-2019, 02:16 PM

The bench kicking tweet is interesting to me. With thousands of cameras in a crowd you'd think it was noticed.

GioforPM · 11-26-2019, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

That's his 11 year later comment, of his perspective and not necessarily what officially actually happened. Not saying it didn't happen, but as of now there's no technical evidence out there yet to confirm this beyond Aliu's word. We need to wait for more details.

Well, everything else he said is true. And it's true he was on pace for 20 goals as a 20 year old (which would have placed him near the top of his team and definitely at or near the top in age category) but he got demoted to the ECHL.

If you want technical evidence it's never going to exist - it's hypothetical. Things that happen when you are a young player affect your career. Ask Fleury or Kennedy.

Textcritic · 11-26-2019, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

The bench kicking tweet is interesting to me. With thousands of cameras in a crowd you'd think it was noticed.

It wasn't necessarily something that occurred on the bench. Jordan said "Kicking me and punching other player to the head during the game."

topfiverecords · 11-26-2019, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, everything else he said is true. And it's true he was on pace for 20 goals as a 20 year old (which would have placed him near the top of his team and definitely at or near the top in age category) but he got demoted to the ECHL.

If you want technical evidence it's never going to exist - it's hypothetical. Things that happen when you are a young player affect your career. Ask Fleury or Kennedy.

I'm talking about the racist word Peters said in the locker room, regarding music that was playing, being the factor that changed the course of Aliu's career.

GioforPM · 11-26-2019, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I'm talking about the racist word Peters said in the locker room, regarding music that was playing, being the factor that changed the course of Aliu's career.

He says that very incident caused him to rebel, which caused him to be sent down despite being a good scorer in his rookie season. Which arguably affected his career.

There's no way to prove or disprove that.

Resolute 14 · 11-26-2019, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The worsrle the pile on around Peters gets, the higher the likelihood his pro career is done.

The likelier it is that his pro career is done, the more incentive he has to make this as difficult and expensive for the flames organization as possible.

Treliving has created a huge headache for his organization. There must be 100 coaches in North America qualified enough to coach a hockey team, and treliving hand picks this one.

Boy, if I hired someone who created this much negative press for my organization, and it was basically my personal endorsement that sold the hire, I'd be actively looking at employment elsewhere.

Jiri, imagine you hire someone at the radio station who is later accused some pretty awful workplace harrasment, and it was your endorsement of this individual that got this person hired in the first place.

Do you think there'd be heat on you?

PeteMoss · 11-26-2019, 02:27 PM

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Well I sort of agree with you and I sort of don't.

On one hand he clearly likes a certain style of play, and knows how to find coaches who can deliver that style. He knows the game well enough to get the right coach to fit the team he's building.

However, he clearly is a poor evaluator of character, or simply doesn't know how to do it as part of a hiring/signing process. Multiple player signings and coaching hires have been disastrous because they lacked quality characteristics that a winning organization needs.

It's been consistently disappointing.

I think he's a keen logical tactician, but he doesn't know people very well. Perhaps that's where Conroy has a major role in the organization, but if so, he's not doing his job either. Perhaps Connie is just too nice to see the flaws in others.

I remember Conroy hiking with Gulutzan as the key in the hiring process, but Treliving wasn't there. Maybe Conroy is a big reason why some of these big disasters keep happening? We all love him, but maybe he's not very good at this?

If Conroy is bad at his job and Treliving is letting him make decisions then that points to a bigger issue with Treliving.

icecube · 11-26-2019, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

That's not really evidence. That's one side's perspective of a situation.

That's the ####ty part about power imbalances in the workplace. A lot of people who abuse their power will never be held accountable because some things are impossible to prove.

Imagine how hard it would be for a guy like Aliu. On top of having to carry the burden of wondering if he lost opportunities for sticking up to Peters he also has to wonder if he didn't get a fair shake because his skin is a different color.

topfiverecords · 11-26-2019, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

He says that very incident caused him to rebel, which caused him to be sent down despite being a good scorer in his rookie season. Which arguably affected his career.

There's no way to prove or disprove that.

Well, we don't have actual proof either of what his rebelling actually entailed. Aliu could be required to take some responsibility for how he handled the situations following the incident too. Did he calmly go to Peters and explain why he was offended, and have a mature conversation and help Peters understand how it affected him and why it wasn't ok and so on? Or did he do the opposite?

PepsiFree · 11-26-2019, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Well, we don't have actual proof either of what his rebelling actually entailed. Aliu could be required to take some responsibility for how he handled the situations following the incident too. Did he calmly go to Peters and explain why he was offended, and have a mature conversation and help Peters understand how it affected him and why it wasn't ok and so on? Or did he do the opposite?

Yeah you should always expect a 20-year-old who just experienced racism to hold a mature, educational conversation with the guy who delivered that racism.

Why should we expect anything less?

Infinit47 · 11-26-2019, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Well, we don't have actual proof either of what his rebelling actually entailed. Aliu could be required to take some responsibility for how he handled the situations following the incident too. Did he calmly go to Peters and explain why he was offended, and have a mature conversation and help Peters understand how it affected him and why it wasn't ok and so on? Or did he do the opposite?

Seems fair to expect a 20 year old to educate their 45 year old boss on how to appropriately stop being racist.

GioforPM · 11-26-2019, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Well, we don't have actual proof either of what his rebelling actually entailed. Aliu could be required to take some responsibility for how he handled the situations following the incident too. Did he calmly go to Peters and explain why he was offended, and have a mature conversation and help Peters understand how it affected him and why it wasn't ok and so on? Or did he do the opposite?

Well, we have his account which was he did have a meeting with Peters where Peters doubled down. We know his captain had a word with Peters too, with no better result. He says he had a bad attitude after that, he says what he said at a practice to Peters which resulted in his demotion.

He was a 20 year old rookie on the team, who'd already had racial and hazing run ins in junior (and maybe was drafted ower because of it). I'm not sure why he has to be the one to be responsible for handling the situation.

Sure, maybe he's rationalizing a career that never was. But I know this - he would have had to go through stuff a lot of players didn't. It wasn't helpful, that's for sure.

icecube · 11-26-2019, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Well, we don't have actual proof either of what his rebelling actually entailed. Aliu could be required to take some responsibility for how he handled the situations following the incident too. Did he calmly go to Peters and explain why he was offended, and have a mature conversation and help Peters understand how it affected him and why it wasn't ok and so on? Or did he do the opposite?

Peters used the N word to a black player.

Aliu doesn't have to be calm or mature about sweet #### all.

He would have every right to be angry, humiliated or whatever emotion he felt. He's entitled to that. The N word is dehumanizing.

Infinit47 · 11-26-2019, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah you should always expect a 20-year-old who just experienced racism to hold a mature, educational conversation with the guy who delivered that racism.

Why should we expect anything less?

Beat me to it.

Oil Stain · 11-26-2019, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Well, we don't have actual proof either of what his rebelling actually entailed. Aliu could be required to take some responsibility for how he handled the situations following the incident too. Did he calmly go to Peters and explain why he was offended, and have a mature conversation and help Peters understand how it affected him and why it wasn't ok and so on? Or did he do the opposite?

Aliu should take no flack for flying off the handle in this situation IMO.

Not everyone can be buddha and he was clearly being violently wronged.

burn_this_city · 11-26-2019, 02:35 PM

The hot takes just don't stop.

Rando · 11-26-2019, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Well, we don't have actual proof either of what his rebelling actually entailed. Aliu could be required to take some responsibility for how he handled the situations following the incident too. Did he calmly go to Peters and explain why he was offended, and have a mature conversation and help Peters understand how it affected him and why it wasn't ok and so on? Or did he do the opposite?

Perfectly acceptable for him to do the opposite.

Flash Walken · 11-26-2019, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by icecube

Peters used the N word to a black player.

Aliu doesn't have to be calm or mature about sweet #### all.

He would have every right to be angry, humiliated or whatever emotion he felt. He's entitled to that. The N word is dehumanizing.

Truth bomb.

afc wimbledon · 11-26-2019, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Well, we don't have actual proof either of what his rebelling actually entailed. Aliu could be required to take some responsibility for how he handled the situations following the incident too. Did he calmly go to Peters and explain why he was offended, and have a mature conversation and help Peters understand how it affected him and why it wasn't ok and so on? Or did he do the opposite?

we're talking 2009 here not 1909, why the hell should anyone need to be told using the 'N' word is offensive to anyone let alone someone of colour?