What “save the season” trade would you like?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Well in your scenario they are telling BT who he cant spend money on then...same thing really.

Seems obvious what they are saying is stop making the same mistake. That's our money you are wasting. Plus it limits your options.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I honestly don't have a problem for thinking the owners are wrong or poor to not let Treliving buy Neal out.

Straight buy out? No i get that...but if they kiboshed retaining 50% to get out of the 4 years left and get something in return...then I think they are wrong. Very very wrong.

I really really REALLY hope they are not telling BT how to spend his budget though. This would be an example of such however.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Good for you, there are plenty of worse players in the league...some on this team

No kidding.

He's still better than Rieder, Janko, Rinaldo and Quine for example on this team, and definitely better than Micheal Haley of the Rangers, Chris Stewart of the Flyers, John Hayden of the Devils, Scott Sabourin of the Sens, and of course Brouwer of the Blues but that doesn't make him an NHL calibre player.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If goal scoring was the only thing the top scoring team would win the cup not get swept in the first round

I take it you're talking about Tampa, statistically the #1 overall team has the best chance of winning the Cup.

Presidents' Trophy-winning teams reach the Stanley Cup Final — and win it — more than any other seed in the playoffs.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Did Tampa score more goals in that series or am I missing something here?

Defence and especially goal tending a pretty important "goal scoring is all that matters" is a pretty stupid statement. The league is full of players that don't score many goals that GMs and coaches value.

I get that everyone is frustrated with the Flames but to take it out on a fourth liner (who actually has a point this week) and fellow fans is stupid

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by zamler

I take it you're talking about Tampa, statistically the #1 overall team has the best chance of winning the Cup.

I'm talking that goal scoring isn't "all that matters"

You agree unless you think Neal is better than Crosby

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Seems obvious what they are saying is stop making the same mistake. That's our money you are wasting. Plus it limits your options.

But thats the thing...it isnt being "wasted" in this scenario, it is only going to a different spot with the hope of replacing that spot with a cheaper player than what is left over and getting more production and/or a better fit.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Defence and especially goal tending a pretty important "goal scoring is all that matters" is a pretty stupid statement. The league is full of players that don't score many goals that GMs and coaches value.

I get that everyone is frustrated with the Flames but to take it out on a fourth liner (who actually has a point this week) and fellow fans is stupid

lol, i'm not taking it out on a fourth liner, I'm saying spending 5 million bucks on a 4th liner is idiotic and it's part of the reason the flames can't score goals.

The flames are paying a guy 5 million bucks to score 0 goals whereas other teams are paying guys 5 million bucks to score 20-40 goals.

The reason the flames can't score goals is partially because they don't have enough goal scorers, because they are paying close to 10 million bucks to guys who either can't score or who don't even play for the Flames anymore.

That's what 6 years of Treliving has brought thus far. 31st in goal scoring rate, 27th in actual goal scoring.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Straight buy out? No i get that...but if they kiboshed retaining 50% to get out of the 4 years left and get something in return...then I think they are wrong. Very very wrong.

I really really REALLY hope they are not telling BT how to spend his budget though. This would be an example of such however.

That's the leap I don't get.

Putting an end to dead money is a lot different than telling someone how to spend the rest of the cap space.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

lol, i'm not taking it out on a fourth liner, I'm saying spending 5 million bucks on a 4th liner is idiotic and it's part of the reason the flames can't score goals.

The flames are paying a guy 5 million bucks to score 0 goals whereas other teams are paying guys 5 million bucks to score 20-40 goals.

The reason the flames can't score goals is partially because they don't have enough goal scorers, because they are paying close to 10 million bucks to guys who either can't score or who don't even play for the Flames anymore.

That's what 6 years of Treliving has brought thus far. 31st in goal scoring rate, 27th in actual goal scoring.

Don't think anyone is debating that.

But the problem started with the Neal contract, not with the Lucic contract. Once you have a black hole in your cap you can either live with it or move it for a better fit.

Ideally you have neither.

The team was 2nd in goal scoring last year, not sure a quarter of this season rubs that out.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

lol, i'm not taking it out on a fourth liner, I'm saying spending 5 million bucks on a 4th liner is idiotic and it's part of the reason the flames can't score goals.

The flames are paying a guy 5 million bucks to score 0 goals whereas other teams are paying guys 5 million bucks to score 20-40 goals.

The reason the flames can't score goals is partially because they don't have enough goal scorers, because they are paying close to 10 million bucks to guys who either can't score or who don't even play for the Flames anymore.

That's what 6 years of Treliving has brought thus far. 31st in goal scoring rate, 27th in actual goal scoring.

They were 2nd in scoring last season despite spending more on Neal

And nobody is defending the Lucic contract so you guys can go lol yourself

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Don't think anyone is debating that.

But the problem started with the Neal contract, not with the Lucic contract. Once you have a black hole in your cap you can either live with it or move it for a better fit.

Ideally you have neither.

The team was 2nd in goal scoring last year, not sure a quarter of this season rubs that out.

I think we just need to leave it, we are right in what we have said these guys are just looking for a pound of flesh.

"Lucic isn't an NHLer he is just a better player than these 10 guys who are literally NHL players" I mean how do you argue that

[The Professor]

How did the conversation turn on Lucic? He’s been our best player during this skid. Virtually the only one who looks like he gives a ####.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by The Professor

How did the conversation turn on Lucic? He’s been our best player during this skid. Virtually the only one who looks like he gives a ####.

Then why didn't he do his job last night and fight Dunn?

Why didn't anyone fight dunn for a check to the head?

Buncha pussies

[Karl]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think we just need to leave it, we are right in what we have said these guys are just looking for a pound of flesh.

"Lucic isn't an NHLer he is just a better player than these 10 guys who are literally NHL players" I mean how do you argue that

You referring to my quote where I referenced 4 other Flames players as well as Micheal Haley, John Hayden, Chris Stewart, Scott Sabourin and Brouwer?

Well, it's because those guys are not NHL calibre players either.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I'm talking that goal scoring isn't "all that matters"

You agree unless you think Neal is better than Crosby

You lost me, Crosby is better in every way including assists and goals. Unless you're cherry picking this season where Crosby had a hernia and had to undergo surgery?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Straight buy out? No i get that...but if they kiboshed retaining 50% to get out of the 4 years left and get something in return...then I think they are wrong. Very very wrong.

I really really REALLY hope they are not telling BT how to spend his budget though. This would be an example of such however.

I don't think they are telling him how to spend the budget. But I do think they are telling him that if he buys out Neal that that money is coming from the budget.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by zamler

You lost me, Crosby is better in every way including assists and goals. Unless you're cherry picking this season where Crosby had a hernia and had to undergo surgery?

Crosby had 5 goals in 17 games...Neal had 12

Crosby was playing better

Goals aren't all that matters

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[CSharp]

How's the upcoming drafts for the next 5 years? If it's deep, trade for picks. The thing I hate seeing is this stupid attitude that it's shameful to tank and rebuild have-assed just to make the first round or be a bubble team every other year. Seems this team is always missing a few key pieces. You can only build from the goalies out so far before you realize that you also need to get bigger and grittier up on all 4 forward lines.

I'd say to the Flames organization, when it's time to sell, make sure the team tanks fully so you can get at least one of the top two picks. None of this s**t on pride. It's like what Marsellus Wallace says "...That's pride [f'ing] with you. [F***] pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps." I don't say that the Flames try to do what the Oilers did and go 5+years like that to milk the system, but if the team can get the likes of McDavid/Draisaitl or Crosby/Malkin, Ovechkin/Backstrom - I wouldn't feel any shame at all. It's actually more profitable to build around players like those than what we currently have.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Straight buy out? No i get that...but if they kiboshed retaining 50% to get out of the 4 years left and get something in return...then I think they are wrong. Very very wrong.

I really really REALLY hope they are not telling BT how to spend his budget though. This would be an example of such however.

This is straight up fiction though - no such deal has ever been even hinted at.