Johnny Gaudreau: Trade or Keep?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Couturier > Gaudreau. Elite #1 shutdown centre who scored 30+ the last two years, elite at faceoffs, and also still on a great contract. Reading all these proposals where Philly gives up Couturier+ drives me mad.

Gaudreau had 99 points last season...those guys don't grow on trees either

Heck Gaudreau has more points this season in the worst stretch of his career

[カナダ人です]

Brady Tkachuk for Gaudreau + 2nd

Unite the Tkachuk brothers.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by カナダ人です

Brady Tkachuk for Gaudreau + 2nd

Unite the Tkachuk brothers.

Johnny doesn't deserve that.

[カナダ人です]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Johnny doesn't deserve that.

Only 2 years, then he can sign in Philly or wherever

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by カナダ人です

Brady Tkachuk for Gaudreau + 2nd

Unite the Tkachuk brothers.

Tkachuk might not ever score 80-100 points, whereas Gaudreau has done it the last 3 seasons (and has another 78 point season).
And we're adding?!?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

I get that Brady will probably be at least a 60 point guy, and brings some physicality, but if his name wasn't Tkachuk, no one would wanting to be trade Johnny and adding a 2nd.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Yoho

My dad had season tix in the Corral and used to take us kids. I remember watching the Flames march across the hall like that. We still have those season tix today in the Dome.

Man ball caps sure have come a long way...

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Teroy

I was at that game and also had season tickets for many years. I totally agree with you.

Did you save your certificate they gave out to fans? I was there also.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Please tell me one of you guys was the one back left with the jean jacket and the dart.

$50 to the first person who finds Dion in that photo

[カナダ人です]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Tkachuk might not ever score 80-100 points, whereas Gaudreau has done it the last 3 seasons (and has another 78 point season).
And we're adding?!?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

I get that Brady will probably be at least a 60 point guy, and brings some physicality, but if his name wasn't Tkachuk, no one would wanting to be trade Johnny and adding a 2nd.

Brady is trending much like Matthew did. Would you trade Matthew Tkachuk for Gaudreau?

Also Gaudreau is 2 years from UFA, while Brady is on his ELC and has a lot of team controlled years left.

Right now Gaudreau is better than Brady Tkachuk. Much better. But that's not the only consideration when making trades.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

“Elite” would be scoring 99 points.

Couturier has been the #1 and #2 centre on a consistently lacklustre Flyers team.

Gaudreau > Couturier, but yes - Couturier is very, very good.

Towes never scored anywhere close to 99 points, yet did just fine, and was considered an elite player.

It’s OK in the NHL if part of your skill set is stopping the other team from scoring.

Johnny has certainly outscored Couturier, but his defensive deficiencies makes him less valuable to a team.

Ideally, we could add Couturier without subtracting anyone, but last I looked,kidnapping is illegal.


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[Lanny_McDonald]

I figured Gaudreau would be moved this summer regardless of the fate of the team. If a deal presents itself right now, that makes the team stronger, you take it. It doesn't matter when a deal presents itself, so long as it makes the team better you take it and move on.

[Saqe]

Looking around the league I can't see any one for one trade involving a true #1 center that's available for Gaudreau.



It's an off-season move. And even then it's most likely a package coming back, maybe a 1b center and a A prospect + pick.

[Flash Walken]

I think it's really interesting that most of the board sentiment at the time was 'don't trade bennett until he has a new coach' but there is basically 0 talk of firing Peters on the board when last year seems to be the anomaly in his coaching career and this year appears to be more on trend.

I absolutely would not trade Gaudreau before firing Peters and bringing in a new coach.

[Stanley]

...sigh...Quenneville would have looked great behind the bench

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think it's really interesting that most of the board sentiment at the time was 'don't trade bennett until he has a new coach' but there is basically 0 talk of firing Peters on the board when last year seems to be the anomaly in his coaching career and this year appears to be more on trend.

I absolutely would not trade Gaudreau before firing Peters and bringing in a new coach.

So this core gets their 4th coach?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Several insiders have commented the Flames have a hansd-on ownership, and that there has been a perception around the league of 'too many cooks in the kitchen' in Flames executive. I suppose people can interpret that how they like.

Those complaints are years old and long pre-date Edwards' move to London. Honestly, the last we heard of about meddling was implied when Treliving was negotiating his extension in 2017 and the rumours of Treliving insisting on greater authority/autonomy if he was to stay. Unsurprisingly, Brian Burke left a year later.

So the problem here is that you are now relying on years-old allegations to deny agency to Treliving for actions he made after he made it clear that he's in command of these decisions.

Your argument is lazy and convenient. Nothing more. If you want to argue that the Hamonic trade was poor use of assets, I can actually get on board with that. But the decision was Treliving's, and the blame lies at his feet.

[Wolfman]

I say keep, its too soon to make a knee jerk reaction trade.

[CliffFletcher]

If the Flames fire Peters, may as well just have Gaudreau and Monahan hand-pick the next coach.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If the Flames fire Peters, may as well just have Gaudreau and Monahan hand-pick the next coach.

If it means winning games, what do I care?

Is it that hard to believe a guy with no real coaching success is not having any coaching success ?

[SportsJunky]

I don’t see this as a coach thing. Then again, I supported Gulutzan.