Sorry, I wanted to address this, what do you feel has crossed the line into "personal"? All my criticisms have been of your ideas, not you as a person. It is not up to me nor is it up to anyone else to walk you through why you're wrong, finding those answers is your responsibility, but people have certainly tried. Your ideas/points/opinions have ranged from false to complete nonsense.
"You're wrong" is not a position. Well, it is, but it's a position typically held by a six year old who lacks the intellect to elaborate. Guess I expect more substance, but that's just me. Maybe you've won everyone over as their hand wavy moral leader.
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You blamed the CBC and by extension the government for Don's firing, it was fully explained why this was wrong and didn't make sense.
No I didn't. Re-read the comment. The sentence starts with "imagine". In the United States if that scenario had played out it would be a first amendment issue.
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You then mentioned "the chilling effect" which, again, is not true or representative of the situation.
Laziest. Rebuttal. Ever. Care to explain why? You have yet to even try to make a case. This is the problem with your debating in general, "you're wrong" is not a position worth considering. I linked to the article on "the chilling effect" to benefit those unfamiliar with the term, would you like me to quote the relevant bits?
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You used an incomplete definition of racism, and when provided with the correct definition, you shrugged it off.
I didn't define racism. My point was that the term "racist" is thrown around so much and stretched so thin that the dictionary can't even keep up. Look up the word "irregardless", it's definition is "regardless" -- people use words wrong, or hell, make them up. Hardly a basis for anything.
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You've suggested immigrants don't care about this or that most don't even know who Don Cherry is. Not only is there evidence in this thread refuting the former, but you couldn't possibly know the latter.
Are you arguing that the exception proves the rule here? Would be par for the course.
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You've claimed people who assume he was talking about immigrants of differences races are the racist ones, this ignores basic logic and Cherry's statement.
No. Again, you completely miss the point.
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You've suggested we're in "thought crime" territory. This is false, the consequences were based on what he said, not what he might think.
Yeah, and that's ridiculous. Sorry.
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You've repeated mischaracterized other posters points and ideas while suggesting people are mischaracterizing Cherry's. This is not only hypocritical, but it's one of the reasons why your contributions have not been effective. This includes framing someone who doesn't like intolerance as "intolerant" and suggesting that anyone has implied Canadians don't talk to immigrants.
Yup. That's what I did. If you're only capable of a literal interpretation, I guess.
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So, I'm sorry, but if you want to "push the discussion" and not simply have people tell you that you're wrong, stop spreading false information, stop applying the wrong definition of things that are already defined, and stop mischaracterizing others with the constant, tiring, "no, it's actually you who is intolerant/racist/bigot" etc. etc. It's hard to have a discussion under these circumstances, so, do you actually want one?
Again, these are criticisms of your ideas. Who you are is and has been irrelevant to the conversation, so please stop pretending it's personal.
I don't go around calling people racist. The point was to make the case that those who are could themselves be perceived as racist and as such should maybe think before they post. Clearly you missed the point. But that's OK, I'm used to that by now.
"You're wrong" is not a position. Well, it is, but it's a position typically held by a six year old who lacks the intellect to elaborate. Guess I expect more substance, but that's just me. Maybe you've won everyone over as their hand wavy moral leader.
I see this sentiment was short lived:
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You know you can attack my ideas without making it personal, right?
Again, the answers and elaboration you're asking for have been offered time and time and time again in this thread. What you do with that is up to you, but my confidence is low this post is going to stop you from ignoring them. So do you.
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That comment on the Social is completely out of line. I don't want her fired, that is just stupid, but she needs to acknowledge that is not a fair comment to 'white boys" and have a chance to re phrase what she was trying to get across.
I have no problem with what Cherry said. I live in a small town and travel to Toronto often, and every time I can wait to leave. The people are rude! Hold a door from someone, see if they even say thanks... probably not! I don't care if your black, brown, purple or blue, if you came to this country to make your life better than at least respect our culture. That's all he was getting at! This world is getting way too SOFT, it's awful. Thanks Justin Trudeau for helping to pussify this great Nation.
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I have no problem with what Cherry said. I live in a small town and travel to Toronto often, and every time I can wait to leave. The people are rude! Hold a door from someone, see if they even say thanks... probably not! I don't care if your black, brown, purple or blue, if you came to this country to make your life better than at least respect our culture. That's all he was getting at! This world is getting way too SOFT, it's awful. Thanks Justin Trudeau for helping to pussify this great Nation.
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I have no problem with what Cherry said. I live in a small town and travel to Toronto often, and every time I can wait to leave. The people are rude! Hold a door from someone, see if they even say thanks... probably not! I don't care if your black, brown, purple or blue, if you came to this country to make your life better than at least respect our culture. That's all he was getting at! This world is getting way too SOFT, it's awful. Thanks Justin Trudeau for helping to pussify this great Nation.
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I have no problem with what Cherry said. I live in a small town and travel to Toronto often, and every time I can wait to leave. The people are rude! Hold a door from someone, see if they even say thanks... probably not! I don't care if your black, brown, purple or blue, if you came to this country to make your life better than at least respect our culture. That's all he was getting at! This world is getting way too SOFT, it's awful. Thanks Justin Trudeau for helping to pussify this great Nation.
This post is awful.
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I have no problem with what Cherry said. I live in a small town and travel to Toronto often, and every time I can wait to leave. The people are rude! Hold a door from someone, see if they even say thanks... probably not! I don't care if your black, brown, purple or blue, if you came to this country to make your life better than at least respect our culture. That's all he was getting at! This world is getting way too SOFT, it's awful. Thanks Justin Trudeau for helping to pussify this great Nation.
Let's just back track for a moment here.
-I think most here agree that there is a great deal of merit towards encouraging more support for the veterans with poppies and remembrance day.
-We all seem to agree that immigrants and native Canadians both have valid reasons to support this movement.
-We have native Canadians acknowledging they could do more to support the cause
-We have new immigrants identifying with the point they may not be totally aware of the significance not having grown up here, and would be open to learning more about the history, and in turn would be willing to chip in and support. Its not a matter of turning a blind eye, but a matter of lack of awareness being spread to everyone equally.
-We all seem to agree that Cherry's support for the military, Canadian pride, and our veterans has merit, and in a vacuum, is a good thing... that with proper massaging of the message could be valuable.
In understanding these points, Cherry's remarks in singling out one group, and his tact in criticizing specific groups (rather than educating) was not only ineffective and unfair, but it did more than border on racism when specific groups were targeted.
I have no problem with what Cherry said. I live in a small town and travel to Toronto often, and every time I can wait to leave. The people are rude! Hold a door from someone, see if they even say thanks... probably not! I don't care if your black, brown, purple or blue, if you came to this country to make your life better than at least respect our culture. That's all he was getting at! This world is getting way too SOFT, it's awful. Thanks Justin Trudeau for helping to pussify this great Nation.
Another snowflake getting triggered. Ah did the big bad corporation hurt your feelings? Man up my dude.
I didn't call you a six year old. I said your debating tactics are what I'd expect from one. There is a difference. You can do better.
Ah, so when I critique your position, it's a "personal attack," and when you do the same, you're quick to defend that your weak definition of "personal attack" actually doesn't apply to your posts. Weird! lol
I'm just playing with you. Call my position that of a six-year-old all you want, it's all good, just a bit phony to play the weak "personal attack" card and act the same way to others.
As I said, you do you. I'll let your posts speak for themselves.
I have no problem with what Cherry said. I live in a small town and travel to Toronto often, and every time I can wait to leave. The people are rude! Hold a door from someone, see if they even say thanks... probably not! I don't care if your black, brown, purple or blue, if you came to this country to make your life better than at least respect our culture. That's all he was getting at! This world is getting way too SOFT, it's awful. Thanks Justin Trudeau for helping to pussify this great Nation.
I have no problem with what Cherry said. I live in a small town and travel to Toronto often, and every time I can wait to leave. The people are rude! Hold a door from someone, see if they even say thanks... probably not! I don't care if your black, brown, purple or blue, if you came to this country to make your life better than at least respect our culture. That's all he was getting at! This world is getting way too SOFT, it's awful. Thanks Justin Trudeau for helping to pussify this great Nation.
