Don Cherry Fired by SN - Poll Added

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You can tell someone's grammar just by looking at them?

Depends on the T shirt.

[dino7c]

People offended by words questioning the bravery, sacrifice, and value of those who actually put their lives on the line to defend freedom

God forbid we actually have another world war it would be quite the reality check for some

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People offended by words questioning the bravery, sacrifice, and value of those who actually put their lives on the line to defend freedom

God forbid we actually have another world war it would be quite the reality check for some

Yeah, if there was anyone actually like that, you'd have a point.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Where did Cherry say he only looked at them? Apparently Canadians don't talk to immigrants? Is that the implication?

Man you are stretching. Did you even listen to the rant? Are you being wilfuly blind to what he was saying?

[monkeyman]

Britain and France didn't think they had anything to worry about either as the Germans were invading Czechoslovakia, then Poland, then Denmark and Norway... Where do you think they'd be if soldiers didn't fight and die to stop the German invasion?
Surely, if they had not been stopped by the Soviets in the East and Allied forces in the West, we would be living very different lives today. Especially if you were a minority as was so abundantly clear by the mass execution of Polish, Jewish and Russian populations unfortunate enough to have succumbed to German invasions.
It should also be noted, that the Germans were developing bombs with the range and destructive capabilities to reach both the United States and Canada toward the end of the war. Bombs that would have caused massive casualties. They were not going to stop at Britain.
So thank you to all the soldiers who fought and died in defence of our values and way of life.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People offended by words questioning the bravery, sacrifice, and value of those who actually put their lives on the line to defend freedom

God forbid we actually have another world war it would be quite the reality check for some

What on earth are you even going on about?

[81MC]

By the way - making an assumption about someone based on your observation of them isn’t racism. It’s prejudicial, sure. But it isn’t racism.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

For me, the visual display of support is much more meaningful than the 2 dollars.

I think they both make a difference because the money goes somewhere. I actually don't even notice whether someone is wearing one or not. it doesn't occur to me to check, and if I noticed it downtown where I work, it's just as likely its on their coat in their office or something. And I see a whole bunch on the ground.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Man you are stretching. Did you even listen to the rant? Are you being wilfuly blind to what he was saying?

Even then, how is judging a human being based on their accent, clothing, grammar, and vocabulary (with ethnic undertones) NOT racist? Racism isn't limited to skin tone or colour.

I think I'm missing the point, here. Besides, one of those is a visual indicator anyway.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

Aside from the whole issue with Cherry, one of the reasons I want nothing to do with Remembrance Day is because of false tropes like the one about our soldiers sacrificing their lives to bring Canada to where it is today.

First of all, this is a day commemorating the armistice for World War I. We were dragged into that senseless war as a colony, and largely used as fodder as were other colonies. Read Owen and Sassoon instead of Flanders Field. Let's remember, as Armistice Day was intended to cause to remember, that WWI was meant to be the war to end all wars because it forced us collectively to recognize the senselessness and nihilism of military conflict. So let Remembrance Day be a sombre reflection, not a glorification of the military.

Soldiers did not win our way of life in Canada. We were certainly involved in a just war in WWII but nothing about our way of life, our constitution, our rights or our freedoms were won by soldiers.

While I'm on the topic, let's celebrate public service. All on board. But I am not on board with celebrating and extolling the military and the police above all others. The irony is that those who are so vocal about extolling those forms of service tend to trash other public servants.

Remembrance Day is a somber day.

It is a day full of emotions, you can't pin one emotion to that day.

Some have survivor guilt, some have overwhelming loss, some have a sense of not doing enough, the emotions are many and varied.

On a personal note I struggle with it, I hate how it makes me feel.

But nobody has a sense of glorification.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Burner

Fair enough -but my personal opinion is that if you cant put down a loonie and put a poppie on your lapel for a few days in November to remember those who have died in the defence of Canada and its freedom then my opinion of you takes a hit. You are entitled to do what you want but then again so am I

Not to belabour this point, but you are still drawing conclusions on the basis of appearance with no actual insight into the various reasons why someone might not be wearing a poppy on Remembrance Day.

That strikes me as incredibly superficial. I think we would all be better served to not make judgments as such so quickly, and based on virtually nothing.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Burner

Fair enough -but my personal opinion is that if you cant put down a loonie and put a poppie on your lapel for a few days in November to remember those who have died in the defence of Canada and its freedom then my opinion of you takes a hit. You are entitled to do what you want but then again so am I

Shame on you for only donating a loonie.

[Corral]

SN and the NHL value one thing: money. Makes me cringe to hear them talk about inclusion and respect for diversity. If they really cared about these things they certainly would not play games in China of all places and they would have nothing to do with the KHL either.

Nope this is all and only about pouncing on an opportunity to get rid of cherry.

[Larry David]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People offended by words questioning the bravery, sacrifice, and value of those who actually put their lives on the line to defend freedom

God forbid we actually have another world war it would be quite the reality check for some

that's not actually what people take issue with. It's the "you people who come here" followed by "you enjoy OUR milk and honey".

People, like myself, take that as blaming immigrants and took issue with it. Rogers apparently gave Don a chance to apologize and/or walk back his remarks but he chose not to. It would have been very easy to do. So I take issue with him on that too.

Personal note here. I think everyone should wear a poppy too or make a donation towards vets. That I agree with. I did that myself. My issue is him painting immigrants as the problem. I married an immigrant. Do you know how much it hurts me to hear her tell me when someone has told her to go back to where she came from? Do you know how proud my wife is to be Canadian? I guarantee you she is more patriotic than a lot of born and raised Canadians. When she studied for her citizenship test she ended up knowing more about our country than I did, sad to say.
It’s so easy to just blame immigrants. Go look beyond immigrants. Go look at our youth. There’s a huge disconnect between the younger generations from the older. They are so far removed from world wars they don’t really understand the sacrifice. The issue is far more problematic than an immigrant problem.
I have first hand knowledge of what it’s like to have immigrants in my family. I can tell you 100% that my wife has rekindled my sense of patriotism. I got complacent. But when I met her and seen her pride and enthusiasm for the Canadian way of life it rekindled something in me that I took for granted. She buys a poppy every year. She never misses a Canada day celebration. She drags my lazy out to them. It’s not just her either, her sister immigrated here, she and I have made friends with others who have also immigrated here. So when I hear Cherry say “you people that come here” it fired me up. Sorry but it’s dangerous language. Even in 2019 it’s so easy to people to revert to “go back to where you came from”.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I get that you really want to believe Cherry isn't basing his observations on skin colour, but this is grasping. The implication is that Cherry wasn't talking to so many people that he could draw such a sweeping conclusion about who does and doesn't wear a poppy.

I never really cared for Don Cherry, agree with those that said he should have retired a decade ago.

But "racist" is being stretched so thin these days it's completely losing all meaning. The doddering old man literally ad libs that crap. Why are we shocked stupid words were said?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 81MC

By the way - making an assumption about someone based on your observation of them isn’t racism. It’s prejudicial, sure. But it isn’t racism.

It is if the conclusions are formed on the basis of observations that stem from any racial, ethnic, or regional stereotype.

"I assume that black people I see not wearing poppies are immigrants who dishonour our military" would be "an assumption about someone based on an observation," and it would most definitely be racist.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Corral

SN and the NHL value one thing: money. Makes me cringe to hear them talk about inclusion and respect for diversity. If they really cared about these things they certainly would not play games in China of all places and they would have nothing to do with the KHL either.

Nope this is all and only about pouncing on an opportunity to get rid of cherry.

Yes. But SN's culpability in all of this IN NO WAY ABSOLVES DON CHERRY FROM HIS REPREHENSIBLE COMMENTS AND BEHAVIOUR.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Corral

SN and the NHL value one thing: money. Makes me cringe to hear them talk about inclusion and respect for diversity. If they really cared about these things they certainly would not play games in China of all places and they would have nothing to do with the KHL either.

Nope this is all and only about pouncing on an opportunity to get rid of cherry.

Balderdash. Cherry's contract came up for renewal this season, and they renewed it. If they wanted to get rid of him they could have done it then. As it is, I suspect he's had his warnings before so this isn't as sudden as is being made out.

Also, SN has nothing to do with the NHL going to China, and the NHL has nothing to do with Cherry's contract.

[bettercallbettman]

Ronny boy should he fired as well. What a joke

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I never really cared for Don Cherry, agree with those that said he should have retired a decade ago.

But "racist" is being stretched so thin these days it's completely losing all meaning.

Do you believe the word is being mis-applied in this specific instance? If so, please explain why.

The doddering old man literally ad libs that crap. Why are we shocked stupid words were said?

Is anyone shocked by what Don Cherry said? I'm not. I am shocked that SN finally took action on the basis of the public backlash and fired him. Yes, it's something that probably should have happened a long time ago, but that does nothing to diminish the fact that ultimately this was the appropriate action to take.