Don Cherry Fired by SN - Poll Added

[Resolute 14]

Exactly. Cherry's lack of tact does not negate Rogers' own lack of same. They could have waited for today. But I suspect they hoped that doing it on Remembrance Day would help distract the public a little.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Uhm... Accents? Clothing? Grammar? Vocabulary?

NSFW!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Uhm... Accents? Clothing? Grammar? Vocabulary?

You can tell someone's grammar just by looking at them?

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

The only people really getting outrage by Cherry's firing are those that realize that the world is changing, and that type of #### isn't acceptable. So they are scared and sad that they might actually not have to be #######s to everyone and grow up.

Yep, those of us saying firing someone for a stupid observation is excessive are the #######s. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

It really screams poor public relations to me. Forget about Cherry, why do it on a day when you know you're going to be taking some of the focus away from what the day is intended, veterans and why we choose to remember them?

Don’t blame SN.

Blame Cherry.

He acted.

They reacted.

He made Remembrance Day about himself.

They gave him the chance to own it, say he was misunderstood, or even just say he would like to think about it.

He’s a coward.

He believes apologizing is a sign of weakness & said exactly that in his biography.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He made those comments on Saturday night

thanks, I stand corrected

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

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Difference is that today nobody is trying for world domination. If Germany had taken over England they would have taken over all the commonwealth. A bit different from carrying a placard bashing your own government, or tweeting a hastag. The millions of soldiers secured that right for you.

I fully acknowledge the importance of Canada's involvement in fighting the Nazis, although it is hardly because we were the next domino to fall to Nazi rule. Nonetheless, you are confusing what I mean about fighting for democracy. How long after the Nazis were defeated were First Nations in Canada given the right to vote?

Some of the bravest people in the world are little girls who insist on going to school or gay men who aren't afraid to hold hands in public. The fight for rights does not begin or end on the battlefield.

[Larry David]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He made those comments on Saturday night

which is true, but it appears they tried to talk to him to get him to walk his comments of "you people that come here" back, which he chose not to. I don't know the timeline of it or how long they gave him to walk it back... but it could be coincidental. Then again they could have waited until today as well....

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You can tell someone's grammar just by looking at them?

Where did Cherry say he only looked at them? Apparently Canadians don't talk to immigrants? Is that the implication?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by nobles_point

Don’t blame SN.

Blame Cherry.

He acted.

They reacted.

He made Remembrance Day about himself.

They gave him the chance to own it, say he was misunderstood, or even just say he would like to think about it.

He’s a coward.

He believes apologizing is a sign of weakness & said exactly that in his biography.

They also chose to profit off his actions for years. He's always said stereotypical, xenophobic ####.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

Aside from the whole issue with Cherry, one of the reasons I want nothing to do with Remembrance Day is because of false tropes like the one about our soldiers sacrificing their lives to bring Canada to where it is today.

First of all, this is a day commemorating the armistice for World War I. We were dragged into that senseless war as a colony, and largely used as fodder as were other colonies. Read Owen and Sassoon instead of Flanders Field. Let's remember, as Armistice Day was intended to cause to remember, that WWI was meant to be the war to end all wars because it forced us collectively to recognize the senselessness and nihilism of military conflict. So let Remembrance Day be a sombre reflection, not a glorification of the military.

Soldiers did not win our way of life in Canada. We were certainly involved in a just war in WWII but nothing about our way of life, our constitution, our rights or our freedoms were won by soldiers.

While I'm on the topic, let's celebrate public service. All on board. But I am not on board with celebrating and extolling the military and the police above all others. The irony is that those who are so vocal about extolling those forms of service tend to trash other public servants.

Remembrance Day is not a celebration of war, it is a memorial for those who fell protecting this country's values. Those Canadian soldiers were people like you and I who were living in a different reality, one that you had to fight because if you didn't, you would be subject to another nation's values. Most of these soldiers were terrified of death, of war, of being killed, of not seeing their loved ones ever again. But they had to do it. Appeasement and isolationism does not work if someone wants to invade and take what is yours.

According to you, Hong Kong citizens should just give up their freedoms right now, why should they fight? Just appease the Chinese government and sing their praises. Hong Kongers should stop being such troublemakers.



https://www.cnn.com/specials/asia/ho...tests-intl-hnk



People fight to the death even today for what we so conveniently take for granted as an everyday value. Hong Kong had it, and it's being taken away right now. This could have happened to Canada and can still happen in the future, if not for brave soldiers who fought in Europe against Hitler so that they did not have to do it on Canadian soil. Not that they wanted to, it's that they had to.

Lest We Forget

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Yep, those of us saying firing someone for a stupid observation is excessive are the #######s. Thanks for clearing that up.

Actions have consequences. If you don't want to be fired for being a racist, don't be a racist.* It's pretty simple and every non-####### is able to do it everyday.


*Unless you're the Prime Minister, if you do racist things at least make sure you're going up against a bigger bigot.

[scotty2hotty]

We should almost move this to the Off Topic Forum at this point.

Would prefer to read more hockey news on this page.

[Burner]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No. It's not.

Because my values and their expression are not always on public display for everyone to see. One's appearance should not be used as a measure for her or his values and virtue.

Fair enough -but my personal opinion is that if you cant put down a loonie and put a poppie on your lapel for a few days in November to remember those who have died in the defence of Canada and its freedom then my opinion of you takes a hit. You are entitled to do what you want but then again so am I

[Scorch]

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[Larry David]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Uhm... Accents? Clothing? Grammar? Vocabulary?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Where did Cherry say he only looked at them? Apparently Canadians don't talk to immigrants? Is that the implication?

... yes.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Where did Cherry say he only looked at them? Apparently Canadians don't talk to immigrants? Is that the implication?

I get that you really want to believe Cherry isn't basing his observations on skin colour, but this is grasping. The implication is that Cherry wasn't talking to so many people that he could draw such a sweeping conclusion about who does and doesn't wear a poppy.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Burner

Fair enough -but my personal opinion is that if you cant put down a loonie and put a poppie on your lapel for a few days in November to remember those who have died in the defence of Canada and its freedom then my opinion of you takes a hit. You are entitled to do what you want but then again so am I

For me, the visual display of support is much more meaningful than the 2 dollars.

[Fan in Exile]

[QUOTE=Firebot;7270880]Remembrance Day is not a celebration of war, it is a memorial for those who fell protecting this country's values. Those Canadian soldiers were people like you and I who were living in a different reality, one that you had to fight because if you didn't, you would be subject to another nation's values. Most of these soldiers were terrified of death, of war, of being killed, of not seeing their loved ones ever again. But they had to do it. Appeasement and isolationism does not work if someone wants to invade and take what is yours.

According to you, Hong Kong citizens should just give up their freedoms right now, why should they fight? Just appease the Chinese government and sing their praises. Hong Kongers should stop being such troublemakers.

What a leap you've made. I think nothing of the sort. Notwithstanding your oversimplification of the situation in Hong Kong, I said that WWII was a just war. I don't object to it in the least. My grandfather served in it.
Military service for a noble cause - something I acknowledged about WWII and would acknowledge in other military actions since - is something worth recognizing and remembering.

My issue is with the tone and the messaging. There are governments that "won" their way to power through military means and they are generally speaking the most repressive governments in the world - North Korea, China, Vietnam, Cuba and formerly Soviet Russia. Thank God our way of life was not won by way of military actions and that our involvement in military operations has been relatively limited. Let's keep it that way.