Hilary Clinton: 'I’m in and I’m in to win'

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Are you kidding? While it may not be the doing of one particular candidate, there are many groups/organizations who have an interest in ensuring the Republicans take power and the Dems fail. They would love to paint a picture of the Obama smear being masterminded by the Clinton campaign.

As for whether anyone is trotting out strategy this early..hell yes, of course they would be. You would have to in politics at this level.

Not a specific campaign, that's what I was saying.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Are you kidding? While it may not be the doing of one particular candidate, there are many groups/organizations who have an interest in ensuring the Republicans take power and the Dems fail. They would love to paint a picture of the Obama smear being masterminded by the Clinton campaign.

As for whether anyone is trotting out strategy this early..hell yes, of course they would be. You would have to in politics at this level.

Well the owner of Fox (Murdoch) hosted a fund raiser for Hillary Clinton a while ago. So if she is the source it would figure Fox would run the story. She does have the most to gain at this early juncture.

[RougeUnderoos]

Is this purely a "Muslim" thing? Would it be a story if he had spent a couple years at some loonie Christian school in Tennessee? Probably not.

Considering the performance of the current "Christian" president, it would be nice if they left religion out of this and focussed on actually running the country properly instead of bickering about which old book someone believe in.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Is this purely a "Muslim" thing? Would it be a story if he had spent a couple years at some loonie Christian school in Tennessee? Probably not.

Considering the performance of the current "Christian" president, it would be nice if they left religion out of this and focussed on actually running the country properly instead of bickering about which old book someone believe in.

Thank you...or to be a little comical....AMEN!

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Is this purely a "Muslim" thing? Would it be a story if he had spent a couple years at some loonie Christian school in Tennessee? Probably not.

Considering the performance of the current "Christian" president, it would be nice if they left religion out of this and focussed on actually running the country properly instead of bickering about which old book someone believe in.

You're right it would be nice not to focus on that, but it is a muslim thing. A lot of the war on terror rhetoric we've been hearing paints muslims as frightening, not to be trusted, up to no good. And I think, unfortunately, a lot of people have bought into that mistrust of muslims, subconciously if not outright. That has been a part of the politcal culture of the west for at least the last decade, probably longer. Watch the news, you see angry muslims in the middle east, burning things, marching the streets, carrying out attacks. We have been pounded with these images of muslims for a long time now. I think it has sunk into the western psyche to certain degree.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Is this purely a "Muslim" thing? Would it be a story if he had spent a couple years at some loonie Christian school in Tennessee? Probably not.

If Obama was educated in a private(loonie) Christian school the media
would be all over it. He would be accused of secretly wanting to outlaw
Homosexuality and making women give up their jobs and stay home and clean.

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

]Considering the performance of the current "Christian" president, it would be nice if they left religion out of this and focussed on actually running the country properly instead of bickering about which old book someone believe in.

One Holy book says to "turn the other cheek" whereas the other calls for
Jihad. Muslim Terrorists all around the world site their holy book as justification for murder. You might see them as equal but, most Americans don't.

In any case this will only effect Obama if he truly has covered up some
of his religious training.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Muslim Terrorists all around the world site their holy book as justification for murder.

The Christian wackos in the States cite their holy book as justification for all sorts of crazy things, murder being just one of them. They also vote like hell for some chimp because he believes the same nonsense that they do. There's probably a substantial voting block down there who vote based on which one is going to bring the end of the world sooner.

But that's not the point. The point is that we should leave all this superstition out of it.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

One Holy book says to "turn the other cheek" whereas the other calls for
Jihad. Muslim Terrorists all around the world site their holy book as justification for murder. You might see them as equal but, most Americans don't.

http://www.voiceforislam.com/SwordOfChrist.html

The points made, therefore, are only intended to expose the hypocrisy of the modern-day Christian Evangelical's claim that the Musim scripture advocates violence.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://www.voiceforislam.com/SwordOfChrist.html

The points made, therefore, are only intended to expose the hypocrisy of the modern-day Christian Evangelical's claim that the Musim scripture advocates violence.

Thanks for posting that.

There may not be enough prominent muslim leaders in the world standing up and saying that, but every once in a while we see some regular guy doing it.

It's just the crazies....not all 1 billion muslims.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

The Christian wackos in the States cite their holy book as justification for all sorts of crazy things, murder being just one of them. They also vote like hell for some chimp because he believes the same nonsense that they do. There's probably a substantial voting block down there who vote based on which one is going to bring the end of the world sooner.

So how many folks were killed in the name of Christ this year? Does it compare to the number killed in the name of Allah?

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

But that's not the point. The point is that we should leave all this superstition out of it.

A persons faith effects the way he views the world. This is true whether
he be a Christian or Muslim or Atheist.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

So how many folks were killed in the name of Christ this year? Does it compare to the number killed in the name of Allah?

Do we only count people killed this year?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by troutman

Do we only count people killed this year?

and to add......is it a competition?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

So how many folks were killed in the name of

I don't know. Lots? The Commander in Chief takes his cues from Jesus. Does that count? A whole lot of people got clipped by the soldiers he sent over there, so I'd say it counts.

Anyway, it's laughable to actually be arguing about how peaceful Christianity is vis a vis any other religion. Plenty of blood to go on everyone's hands. But I am impressed that you can hold the bible in one hand and a gavel in the other.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://www.voiceforislam.com/SwordOfChrist.html

The points made, therefore, are only intended to expose the hypocrisy of the modern-day Christian Evangelical's claim that the Musim scripture advocates violence.

The points they make are taken out of context. I don't have to prove it. Anyone who reads the passages they have sited can see it for themselves.

Funny how it is prodominately Christian nations that exercise religious tolerance. The writer doesn't disclose the penalty the Christian missionary will suffer if found promoting the gospel.

[RougeUnderoos]

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS...ssa/index.html

But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.
He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.
"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

Shocking.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't know. Lots? The Commander in Chief takes his cues from Jesus. Does that count? A whole lot of people got clipped by the soldiers he sent over there, so I'd say it counts.

Can you show me evidence that Bush views Iraq as a religious war, and that he was commanded by Jesus to fight it?

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

In any case this will only effect Obama if he truly has covered up some
of his religious training.

You do realize that at the time in question Obama was 6 thru 10 years old, right?

I'm just sure he spent that time concocting some sinister life plan whereby he would dupe the American public into thinking he was a Christian and then advocate a terrorist agenda while in office. Allah be praised!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Can you show me evidence that Bush views Iraq as a religious war, and that he was commanded by Jesus to fight it?

He yaks about Jesus all the time and lists him as his "favorite philosopher" and "may God continue to bless America" and whatnot. Freedom, as he sees it, is a "gift from the almighty", and if you listen to him, he has given said gift to them Iraqis.

He doesn't hide the fact that he prays for guidance and does what he thinks God wants him to do.

I can't provide evidence that Jesus commanded him to fight it because I think that is nonsense. But going by his own behaviour and proclamations, I think he thinks Jesus had something to do with the decision.

Of course, maybe he's just a con man and doesn't really believe all this stuff and uses it in a cynical (and successful) attempt to curry favor from the bible thumpers and morons.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

He yaks about Jesus all the time and lists him as his "favorite philosopher" and "may God continue to bless America" and whatnot. Freedom, as he sees it, is a "gift from the almighty", and if you listen to him, he has given said gift to them Iraqis.

He doesn't hide the fact that he prays for guidance and does what he thinks God wants him to do.

I can't provide evidence that Jesus commanded him to fight it because I think that is nonsense. But going by his own behaviour and proclamations, I think he thinks Jesus had something to do with the decision.

Of course, maybe he's just a con man and doesn't really believe all this stuff and uses it in a cynical (and successful) attempt to curry favor from the bible thumpers and morons.

Honestly Rouge, none of that is any different than any other President.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

By the time the Republicans finish with him, half the population will believe he trained with Osama.

incredibly sad comment - because its so true...cnn already "mistakenly" had "OSAMA" under his picture during one story...idiots