The intellectual dark web

[blankall]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Pretty hilarious that Shapiro, Rubin, and Peterson basically represent the zenith of this movement when all three have been thoroughly exposed as frauds.

EDIT: Also the OP of this thread is absolutely hilarious in hindsight.

Shapiro comes across to me as simply old school conservative, as opposed to alt-right.

I'm curious what makes Shapiro a fraud though?

Rubin is hypocritical for sure (as are most idealists), but a fraud?

Peterson because he had to check into rehab, after preaching about natural diets and self-identity? I suppose that could be seen as fraudulent.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by blankall

Shapiro comes across to me as simply old school conservative, as opposed to alt-right.

I'm curious what makes Shapiro a fraud though?

Rubin is hypocritical for sure (as are most idealists), but a fraud?

Shapiro and Rubin, first and foremost, for blatant hypocrisy. Secondly, they both often engage in bad faith and dishonest arguments. Either that or their just not as smart as they pass themselves off. Any cursory fact-checking of most of their videos shows they're either intentionally misleading their audience or they fundamentally don't understand the "facts" they're presenting.

Rubin trying to pass himself off as a "classical liberal" and centrist voice of reason is particularly laughable when you take a look at who he's getting his paycheques from.

Peterson because he had to check into rehab, after preaching about natural diets and self-identity? I suppose that could be seen as fraudulent.

Beyond being a peddler and practitioner of pseudoscience nonsense, Peterson's arguments often fall apart under any kind of intellectual scrutiny. It was interesting seeing Cliff argue that no "left-wing" intellectual heavyweights were willing to debate Peterson, but he got exposed pretty badly when he debated Zizek in Toronto. His ideas are often revealed to be pretty extreme and nonsensical once you get past the word salads he uses to dress them up in, and he has a bad tendency to weigh-in (almost always incorrectly/incoherently) on topics he has virtually no expertise in.

[Matata]

Milo is still ####ing hilarious.

[peter12]

Wasn't Peterson's wife diagnosed with cancer, which lead to his addiction to clonazepam? Makes sense.

[PsYcNeT]

Milo fans in 2019 are the pundit equivalent of Michael Jackson fans in 2019.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Matata

Milo is still ####ing hilarious.

Like his pissing and moaning that he can't afford his lifestyle anymore after getting deplatformed and demonetized everywhere? Because I agree, that ####'s hilarious.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Milo fans in 2019 are the pundit equivalent of Michael Jackson fans in 2019.

Darling, please.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

Wasn't Peterson's wife diagnosed with cancer, which lead to his addiction to clonazepam? Makes sense.

Yeah, I'm not going to crap on Peterson for his addiction and subsequent rehab. I hope he gets the help he needs.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Shapiro and Rubin, first and foremost, for blatant hypocrisy. Secondly, they both often engage in bad faith and dishonest arguments. Either that or their just not as smart as they pass themselves off. Any cursory fact-checking of most of their videos shows they're either intentionally misleading their audience or they fundamentally don't understand the "facts" they're presenting.

Rubin trying to pass himself off as a "classical liberal" and centrist voice of reason is particularly laughable when you take a look at who he's getting his paycheques from.

Rubin comes across as very typical of anyone involved with Young Turks.

However, if you're going to discount politicians and pundits as frauds for being hypocritical or not properly labeling themselves, you're going to end up with a very very small list of people who aren't frauds. As far as dubious intentions go, guys like Rubin are hardly the worst offenders. If anything Rubin is so straight up about some of his bafflingly antiquated conservative views that his main issue is dogmatism.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, I'm not going to crap on Peterson for his addiction and subsequent rehab. I hope he gets the help he needs.

You just made fun of Milo for having a downturn in his career because he joked about being molested as a child.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Matata

You just made fun of Milo for having a downturn in his career because he joked about being molested as a child.

No, I joked about him having a downturn because he's a terrible person.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

No, I joked about him having a downturn because he's a terrible person.

a garbage person, in fact

[Matata]

John Lenin was a garbage person, but I still listen to the beatles.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Matata

John Lenin was a garbage person, but I still listen to the beatles.

That may be the dumbest false equivalence ever posted on this site. Congrats.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Matata

John Lenin was a garbage person, but I still listen to the beatles.

John Lennon.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

John Lennon.

I am the walrus?

[Matata]

Originally Posted by rubecube

That may be the dumbest false equivalence ever posted on this site. Congrats.

John Lennon was a wife-beating alcoholic who abandoned his family, what has Milo done that's half as bad as that?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Matata

John Lennon was a wife-beating alcoholic who abandoned his family, what has Milo done that's half as bad as that?

Milo's entire career is based on harassing people and generally being a major ####goblin. There's nothing that separates Milo the person from his work.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Milo's entire career is based on harassing people and generally being a major ####goblin. There's nothing that separates Milo the person from his work.

Yeah, it's f****** hilarious

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Matata

Yeah, it's f****** hilarious

And I think someone like that receiving their comeuppance for that type of #### is hilarious.

If making a career out of abusing/harassing women and minorities is hilarious to you, fill your boots.